Blue Jays Discussion: Blue Jays Showing Their Best Maple Leaf Impression

[Woodman19]

This is for sure the offseason where heads have to roll. They can't wait until Bautista and Edwin are gone to start the rebuild.

No reason to trade Edwin yet, hes on an even better contract then Bautista and still has 2 more years. Unless you want to tear it down completely and go through a couple more years of awful baseball (might not be a bad idea) then we would be better off retaining the core group and try to add to it.

 

[p.l.f.]

The whole Latino family could potentiially go if JB goes
Reyes Cabrera Bautista Encarnacion Navarro Francisco.....
JB is like their Godfather

 

[StuckOutHere]

No reason to trade Edwin yet, hes on an even better contract then Bautista and still has 2 more years. Unless you want to tear it down completely and go through a couple more years of awful baseball (might not be a bad idea) then we would be better off retaining the core group and try to add to it.

I don't think you move one without moving the other. No half measures. They could deal both (separately) and return like 4 or 5 top 50 prospects between the two of them. Let Morrow walk, let McGowan walk, let Rasmus walk (comp pick), let Melky walk(comp pick) and go with youth/stop gaps for a year or two. I'd keep Dickey and MB as mentors for a young rotation next year. Keep Reyes as well because I don't see many teams that could afford him thus depreciated returns.

 

[Woodman19]

I don't think you move one without moving the other. No half measures. They could deal both (separately) and return like 4 or 5 top 50 prospects between the two of them. Let Morrow walk, let McGowan walk, let Rasmus walk (comp pick), let Melky walk(comp pick) and go with youth/stop gaps for a year or two. I'd keep Dickey and MB as mentors for a young rotation next year. Keep Reyes as well because I don't see many teams that could afford him thus depreciated returns.

Not that I disagree with you, but only Melky will get you a comp pick. Rasmus would accept a QO and you would be stuck with him next year at $14 million.

 

[StuckOutHere]

Not that I disagree with you, but only Melky will get you a comp pick. Rasmus would accept a QO and you would be stuck with him next year at $14 million.

Yeah. Very likely actually. Melky is a guaranteed pick though.

 

[theaub]

Absolutely no reason to let Melky walk, even if you're trading Jose/Edwin

 

[Woodman19]

Absolutely no reason to let Melky walk, even if you're trading Jose/Edwin

Question is, would he want to stick around if we were signalling that we were clearly beginning a rebuild?

 

[StuckOutHere]

Absolutely no reason to let Melky walk, even if you're trading Jose/Edwin

I just highly doubt he is sticking around if we sell on everyone.

 

[DatsyukianDeke*]

Some people are so delusional in their trades. Reminds me of the trade and rumors board on here, people want to trade for their teams needs but it doesn't make any sense from the other team.

Wong and Taveras for Bautista and Buerhle? Why the hell would the Cards do that. The last thing they need is pitching now. They just went and got Masterson and Lackey to add to their rotation of 7+ starters when healthy and they already have a full outfield with Holliday, Jay and Taveras along with bourjous.

 

[weems]

Absolutely no reason to let Melky walk, even if you're trading Jose/Edwin

Ya I'm sure Melky is gonna stick around if we trade Bautista/EE

 

[StuckOutHere]

Some people are so delusional in their trades. Reminds me of the trade and rumors board on here, people want to trade for their teams needs but it doesn't make any sense from the other team.

Wong and Taveras for Bautista and Buerhle? Why the hell would the Cards do that. The last thing they need is pitching now. They just went and got Masterson and Lackey to add to their rotation of 7+ starters when healthy and they already have a full outfield with Holliday, Jay and Taveras along with bourjous.

I'd deal Bautista/Edwin in-division to Baltimore for Bundy+Urrita+Sisco or to the Nationals for Giolito+Skole+Goodwin. If we could pull both those, man, our farm would be loaded.

 

[dredeye]

Question is, would he want to stick around if we were signalling that we were clearly beginning a rebuild?

Pretty much if there's a hint that Bautista is gonna want out Melky will not be anywhere near this team next year. I'm sure Jose will let him know ahead of time as well.

 

[Swervin81]

MLB ‏@MLB 16m
Major League Baseball denies Rays’ formal protest regarding Saturday’s game in Toronto.



If anyone actually thought they were going to uphold it...

 

[Canada4Gold]

Oh and Norris vs Owens tonight

Was gonna mention this. Battle of the top 5 Lefty pitching prospects. If I was anywhere near The border I'd be in Buffalo tonight watching that.

 

[dredeye]

looks like we are in need of a new thread

 

[Canada4Gold]

As for the whole Bautista trade crap. As I see it there are 2 options.

1. resign Melky, get a good 2B, and try to go through this 1 more time with a younger pitching staff potentially trading Dickey or Buerhle and going Stro/Hutch/Sanchez, the other of Dickey/Buerhle and probably some stopgap until they decide Norris is ready which might the the start of the year anyway.

2. Melky doesn't resign, no half assed attempt to keep being competitive when we won't be. Trade Bautista/EE, Reyes if he has any value with that contract, get a group of ready/almost ready positional prospects that you can run out there with Lawrie/Pompey in a year or so and be competitive then. If Melky doesn't resign, we're probably not going to be competitive, trade Jose/EE while they could still return some nice prospects and see where that takes us

 

[calcal798]

Bautista for Wong + Miller + Piscotty. Get it done AA!

If I were to ever trade Bautista and it was to the Cards I'd go for a Wong + Holliday + Kaminsky deal.

Fill in our hole at 2B, fill in Bautista's bat in the lineup with Holliday (who is having a down year, may be older but he would still provide a decent middle of the lineup bat) and add another solid pitching prospect to our system. One that fills a few holes with decent value players in return for Bautista. Still a big if though.

On a side note I wonder if Holliday would be a reasonable player to target this offseason, maybe St. Louis would do a Holliday for Beurhle swap?

 

[theaub]

Ya I'm sure Melky is gonna stick around if we trade Bautista/EE

Well we shouldn't be moving them either

 

[StuckOutHere]

As for the whole Bautista trade crap. As I see it there are 2 options.

1. resign Melky, get a good 2B, and try to go through this 1 more time with a younger pitching staff potentially trading Dickey or Buerhle and going Stro/Hutch/Sanchez, the other of Dickey/Buerhle and probably some stopgap until they decide Norris is ready which might the the start of the year anyway.

2. Melky doesn't resign, no half assed attempt to keep being competitive when we won't be. Trade Bautista/EE, Reyes if he has any value with that contract, get a group of ready/almost ready positional prospects that you can run out there with Lawrie/Pompey in a year or so and be competitive then. If Melky doesn't resign, we're probably not going to be competitive, trade Jose/EE while they could still return some nice prospects and see where that takes us

Even with Melky, do you want to bet losing out on two huge prospect bearing trades on the hope that Stroman, Sanchez, and Hutchinson all blossom next year? I'd rather trade JB and EE and get some almost ready guys that will be ready when those three plus Norris are in their primes.

 

[BertCorbeau]

New thread:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?p=89157387#post89157387