TSN: Blackhawks willing to take on bad contracts or facilitate 3 team trades at the deadline

[axlrose87]

I only threw that out there cause guy said he'd be an improvement on Subban for one season at 2.25

3rd rounder work? Or would it have to be a 2nd?
Koski + 2nd with no retention?

I think that would work for one year of koskinen. The fact that he has another year (and they have Toews coming back next year), the price would be a lot more steep.
Chicago has the space to cap dumps for this season. They cannot afford to take contracts that carry into next season. Think of them as a conduit or facilitator for this season. Salary cap strapped teams can offer them incentive to help them facilitate trades this deadline (the same way the leafs did with Lehner last year). Taking on bad contracts for next year will be exorbitantly more expensive.

 

[GOilers88]

I think that would work for one year of koskinen. The fact that he has another year (and they have Toews coming back next year), the price would be a lot more steep.
Chicago has the space to cap dumps for this season. They cannot afford to take contracts that carry into next season. Think of them as a conduit or facilitator for this season. Salary cap strapped teams can offer them incentive to help them facilitate trades this deadline (the same way the leafs did with Lehner last year). Taking on bad contracts for next year will be exorbitantly more expensive.

He's only on the books for one more year. I'm assuming these deals happen in the summer, not this season. Maybe I should have clarified.

 

[axlrose87]

He's only on the books for one more year. I'm assuming these deals happen in the summer, not this season. Maybe I should have clarified.

Ya. Who knows what they are planning. With the flat cap, I find it hard to believe they would want to do this for next season though. But, who knows? Maybe toews is completely done and they are using this as an opportunity to start rebuilding.

 

[GreatSaveLuongo]

Rousell for 7th

 

[Sparky206]

What about Madden, a second and a 4th?


oh wait.

As a kings fan this was a very enjoyable read

 

[2022 Stanley Cup]

Someone help me out. So in this scenario Chicago plans to receive a player from another team, retain some of their salary, and then trade that player off to another team? Or is this a situation where they just take bad contracts for compensation?

 

[Dr Quincy]

I think that would work for one year of koskinen. The fact that he has another year (and they have Toews coming back next year), the price would be a lot more steep.
Chicago has the space to cap dumps for this season. They cannot afford to take contracts that carry into next season. Think of them as a conduit or facilitator for this season. Salary cap strapped teams can offer them incentive to help them facilitate trades this deadline (the same way the leafs did with Lehner last year). Taking on bad contracts for next year will be exorbitantly more expensive.

I don't see them getting a lot of offers for expiring contract cap dumps.

Teams adding a big salary guy via a trade can just trade that cap dump guy to the other team in the deal.

Let's say we have a contender adding a high priced piece from a team that is out of it. If it's going to be a guy with an expiring contract they want to dump, they just send him along to the rebuilding team. Zero need to make a deal with CHI at that point.

The only way CHI can weaponize space is if they are taking a salary beyond this year.

 

[thesaadfather]

Someone help me out. So in this scenario Chicago plans to receive a player from another team, retain some of their salary, and then trade that player off to another team? Or is this a situation where they just take bad contracts for compensation?

Yes.

 

[BurgoShark]

Ottawa offers Stepan (LTIR) + Anisimov + Coburn for Zack Smith (LTIR) + Matthew Highmore

*This assumes that Derek Stepan's contract is insured, and Zack Smith's contract is not insured.

Ottawa can add a depth prospect and/or take back a 2-way contract to facilitate if needed.

Justification...

Chicago:
- Chicago grabs a couple of Cup-winning depth (black ace) players for a potential playoff run at no $$ or cap cost
- After assigning these two players to the taxi squad this move would be cap neutral
- After recalling or activating a roster player on league minimum, this move would be salary nuetral

Cap Space
- Remaining cap hit for Highmore is ~$325k
- Remaining cap hit for Arty is ~$2.0m (in the NHL) or ~$1.5m if he is on the taxi squad
- Remaining cap hit for Coburn is $765k in the NHL or ~300k if he is on the taxi squad
Total = additional $1.5m in cap space needed

LTIR
- Zack Smith remaining LTIR relief is ~$1.5m
- Stepan remaining LTIR relief is ~$3m
Total = additional $1.5m in relief to offset the trade

Salary
- Remove Highmore - $300k
- Remove Smith - $1.5m
- Add Anisimov + $650k
- Add Coburn +~$650k
- Add Stepan +$200k
- Recall/activate a player on league minimum + $300k
Total = money in, money out

For Ottawa:
- Money in / money out
- Removes two guys from the roster who are barely playing, and gives both guys one more (potential) finals experience before they (likely) hang up their skates
- Highmore already meets the criteria for expansion draft forwards. Ottawa needs to acquire another player who meets the criteria prior to the draft
- Highmore gets a but of a look as a bottom six forward in a team who really needs a couple. If he doesn't win a job, he's a very good AHL level player signed for next season (and Ottawa desperately needs some of those too)
- Do a nice thing and let Zack Smith retire as a Senator. If they manage to get some fans in to their arena before the season ends, let him walk out and wave goodbye

 

[axlrose87]

I don't see them getting a lot of offers for expiring contract cap dumps.

Teams adding a big salary guy via a trade can just trade that cap dump guy to the other team in the deal.

Let's say we have a contender adding a high priced piece from a team that is out of it. If it's going to be a guy with an expiring contract they want to dump, they just send him along to the rebuilding team. Zero need to make a deal with CHI at that point.

The only way CHI can weaponize space is if they are taking a salary beyond this year.

Many teams are broke though. They don’t necessarily want to pay millions to players they don’t want.
It’s easy for us fans to forget that real money is involved in all of this.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Rousell for 7th

Not how it will work

 

[Mrfenn92]

Many teams are broke though. They don’t necessarily want to pay millions to players they don’t want.
It’s easy for us fans to forget that real money is involved in all of this.

Rocky wirtz doesn’t seem to have a issue with spending the money

 

[Mrfenn92]

Ottawa offers Stepan (LTIR) + Anisimov + Coburn for Zack Smith (LTIR) + Matthew Highmore

*This assumes that Derek Stepan's contract is insured, and Zack Smith's contract is not insured.

Ottawa can add a depth prospect and/or take back a 2-way contract to facilitate if needed.

Justification...

Chicago:
- Chicago grabs a couple of Cup-winning depth (black ace) players for a potential playoff run at no $$ or cap cost
- After assigning these two players to the taxi squad this move would be cap neutral
- After recalling or activating a roster player on league minimum, this move would be salary nuetral

Cap Space
- Remaining cap hit for Highmore is ~$325k
- Remaining cap hit for Arty is ~$2.0m (in the NHL) or ~$1.5m if he is on the taxi squad
- Remaining cap hit for Coburn is $765k in the NHL or ~300k if he is on the taxi squad
Total = additional $1.5m in cap space needed

LTIR
- Zack Smith remaining LTIR relief is ~$1.5m
- Stepan remaining LTIR relief is ~$3m
Total = additional $1.5m in relief to offset the trade

Salary
- Remove Highmore - $300k
- Remove Smith - $1.5m
- Add Anisimov + $650k
- Add Coburn +~$650k
- Add Stepan +$200k
- Recall/activate a player on league minimum + $300k
Total = money in, money out

For Ottawa:
- Money in / money out
- Removes two guys from the roster who are barely playing, and gives both guys one more (potential) finals experience before they (likely) hang up their skates
- Highmore already meets the criteria for expansion draft forwards. Ottawa needs to acquire another player who meets the criteria prior to the draft
- Highmore gets a but of a look as a bottom six forward in a team who really needs a couple. If he doesn't win a job, he's a very good AHL level player signed for next season (and Ottawa desperately needs some of those too)
- Do a nice thing and let Zack Smith retire as a Senator. If they manage to get some fans in to their arena before the season ends, let him walk out and wave goodbye

No thank you from the hawks

 

[axlrose87]

Rocky wirtz doesn’t seem to have a issue with spending the money

Yes. Some owners are using this as an opportunity to capitalize on assets. Other owners are looking at this as an opportunity to cut costs.
This is why Chicago is making it known that they are willing to throw around some money. Their fans should be quite happy about this. Not many owners are willing to go this route these days.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Yes. Some owners are using this as an opportunity to capitalize on assets. Other owners are looking at this as an opportunity to cut costs.
This is why Chicago is making it known that they are willing to throw around some money. Their fans should be quite happy about this. Not many owners are willing to go this route these days.

Agreed

 

[Mrfenn92]

It’s simple the hawks will take on a bad contract through next season for higher end picks or worthwhile prospects.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Many teams are broke though. They don’t necessarily want to pay millions to players they don’t want.
It’s easy for us fans to forget that real money is involved in all of this.

Teams aren't going to be giving up assets to save cash for 1 month of salary.

 

[thesaadfather]

Ottawa offers Stepan (LTIR) + Anisimov + Coburn for Zack Smith (LTIR) + Matthew Highmore

*This assumes that Derek Stepan's contract is insured, and Zack Smith's contract is not insured.

Ottawa can add a depth prospect and/or take back a 2-way contract to facilitate if needed.

Justification...

Chicago:
- Chicago grabs a couple of Cup-winning depth (black ace) players for a potential playoff run at no $$ or cap cost
- After assigning these two players to the taxi squad this move would be cap neutral
- After recalling or activating a roster player on league minimum, this move would be salary nuetral

Cap Space
- Remaining cap hit for Highmore is ~$325k
- Remaining cap hit for Arty is ~$2.0m (in the NHL) or ~$1.5m if he is on the taxi squad
- Remaining cap hit for Coburn is $765k in the NHL or ~300k if he is on the taxi squad
Total = additional $1.5m in cap space needed

LTIR
- Zack Smith remaining LTIR relief is ~$1.5m
- Stepan remaining LTIR relief is ~$3m
Total = additional $1.5m in relief to offset the trade

Salary
- Remove Highmore - $300k
- Remove Smith - $1.5m
- Add Anisimov + $650k
- Add Coburn +~$650k
- Add Stepan +$200k
- Recall/activate a player on league minimum + $300k
Total = money in, money out

For Ottawa:
- Money in / money out
- Removes two guys from the roster who are barely playing, and gives both guys one more (potential) finals experience before they (likely) hang up their skates
- Highmore already meets the criteria for expansion draft forwards. Ottawa needs to acquire another player who meets the criteria prior to the draft
- Highmore gets a but of a look as a bottom six forward in a team who really needs a couple. If he doesn't win a job, he's a very good AHL level player signed for next season (and Ottawa desperately needs some of those too)
- Do a nice thing and let Zack Smith retire as a Senator. If they manage to get some fans in to their arena before the season ends, let him walk out and wave goodbye

This doesn’t really do anything for the Hawks. They’re not going to be adding for a cup run.

 

[axlrose87]

Teams aren't going to be giving up assets to save cash for 1 month of salary.

Again. Easy to say when it is not your money.
We could be talking millions of dollars in some cases. I think there are several teams that would be willing to do it for financial reasons alone. When you add the salary cap flexibility it allows, I absolutely believe some teams would be willing to.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Ottawa offers Stepan (LTIR) + Anisimov + Coburn for Zack Smith (LTIR) + Matthew Highmore

*This assumes that Derek Stepan's contract is insured, and Zack Smith's contract is not insured.

Ottawa can add a depth prospect and/or take back a 2-way contract to facilitate if needed.

Justification...

Chicago:
- Chicago grabs a couple of Cup-winning depth (black ace) players for a potential playoff run at no $$ or cap cost
- After assigning these two players to the taxi squad this move would be cap neutral
- After recalling or activating a roster player on league minimum, this move would be salary nuetral

Cap Space
- Remaining cap hit for Highmore is ~$325k
- Remaining cap hit for Arty is ~$2.0m (in the NHL) or ~$1.5m if he is on the taxi squad
- Remaining cap hit for Coburn is $765k in the NHL or ~300k if he is on the taxi squad
Total = additional $1.5m in cap space needed

LTIR
- Zack Smith remaining LTIR relief is ~$1.5m
- Stepan remaining LTIR relief is ~$3m
Total = additional $1.5m in relief to offset the trade

Salary
- Remove Highmore - $300k
- Remove Smith - $1.5m
- Add Anisimov + $650k
- Add Coburn +~$650k
- Add Stepan +$200k
- Recall/activate a player on league minimum + $300k
Total = money in, money out

For Ottawa:
- Money in / money out
- Removes two guys from the roster who are barely playing, and gives both guys one more (potential) finals experience before they (likely) hang up their skates
- Highmore already meets the criteria for expansion draft forwards. Ottawa needs to acquire another player who meets the criteria prior to the draft
- Highmore gets a but of a look as a bottom six forward in a team who really needs a couple. If he doesn't win a job, he's a very good AHL level player signed for next season (and Ottawa desperately needs some of those too)
- Do a nice thing and let Zack Smith retire as a Senator. If they manage to get some fans in to their arena before the season ends, let him walk out and wave goodbye

the easiest no. anisimov and stephan do nothing for Chicago right now

 

[Canuck Luck]

What would it cost the Canucks for them to take on the 1 year remaining on roussel’s contract? We could wait until the off-season if it’s going to cost more to do it at the deadline. Not like we need cap space for this season

 

[CallMeShaft]

Hawks have the space for not only this season, but likely the following year or two. Seabrook LTIRetiring allows us a lot of cap room that we need to either make use of or watch it disappear.

Now Hawks could try to sign some free agents, but the org seems more interested in letting our kids develop into those types of roles instead of overpaying others. So with that in mind, that's why we're looking at getting assets in return for taking dead cap hits.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Hawks have the space for not only this season, but likely the following year or two. Seabrook LTIRetiring allows us a lot of cap room that we need to either make use of or watch it disappear.

Now Hawks could try to sign some free agents, but the org seems more interested in letting our kids develop into those types of roles instead of overpaying others. So with that in mind, that's why we're looking at getting assets in return for taking dead cap hits.

Seabrook and a good chance Shaw also

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

Do people not understand this?

Most playoff teams are at the cap, the Hawks are willing to eat bad contracts so teams looking to load up can make the moves they want.

They just want to take advantage of the situation, which means high draft picks or top prospects. Don't want to give them up? No worries.

 

[Sinbad]

Someone help me out. So in this scenario Chicago plans to receive a player from another team, retain some of their salary, and then trade that player off to another team? Or is this a situation where they just take bad contracts for compensation?

Hawks cannot retain in any deal, they already have two contracts they are retaining on at this time; Saad and Maata; which I believe is the maximum.