Better 36-year-old season: Crosby 23-24 vs Ovechkin 21-22

[molon labe]

That's pure gibberish.

Half an assist per game and higher PPG than Crosby while also being better than Crosby defensively isn't one dimensional. And what does that make Crosby - no dimensional?

You're funny, or high. Good on you.

 

[Midnight Judges]

You're funny, or high. Good on you.

Shall we compare data?

It won't go well for you.

 

[molon labe]

Shall we compare data?

It won't go well for you.

Should I spend my afternoon arguing whether the sky is blue with this forums' most notorious Crosby hater and straw man arguer in every single Crosby thread?

It could be interesting but it's likely not going to be interesting.

Live free and however you want bud - but you're alone on a VERY secluded island if you think Ovi is even in the same hemisphere as Sid on the defensive side of the puck.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Should I spend my afternoon arguing whether the sky is blue with this forums' most notorious Crosby hater and straw man arguer in every single Crosby thread?

It could be interesting but it's likely not going to be interesting.

Live free and however you want bud - but you're alone on a VERY secluded island if you think Ovi is even in the same hemisphere as Sid on the defensive side of the puck.

How many goals against was Crosby on the ice for this season?

 

[norrisnick]

How many goals against was Crosby on the ice for this season?

96

 

[Toby91ca]

Should I spend my afternoon arguing whether the sky is blue with this forums' most notorious Crosby hater and straw man arguer in every single Crosby thread?

It could be interesting but it's likely not going to be interesting.

Live free and however you want bud - but you're alone on a VERY secluded island if you think Ovi is even in the same hemisphere as Sid on the defensive side of the puck.

Randyne (sp?) might have an argument here.

 

[Gurglesons]

Ovi.

 

[Beau Knows]

It's a little surprising to see +/- being used as an important metric, I've never put too much stock in it personally.

One guy is +200 and the other could end his career as a minus player. I don't think that alone says much, but I guess there's not a lot of angles left to approach the old Crosby vs Ovechkin debate from.

 

[Dingo]

hits - 155 - 98
bl shots 25-37

both great years. As always i'll take Crosby at centre and Ovechkin on the wing. They are different positions and both did them to the highest level in their peaks and to a very high level in their 36yr old seasons.

It's a little surprising to see +/- being used as an important metric, I've never put too much stock in it personally.

One guy is +200 and the other could end his career as a minus player. I don't think that alone says much, but I guess there's not a lot of angles left to approach the old Crosby vs Ovechkin debate from.

it gets used when zealots need something to win with.

 

[Roksta]

You know it's time to close the thread when you hear that Ovechkin is better than Crosby defensively

Jesus Christ Holy Mother of God

 

[ijuka]

if I look at:

I'd say that this doesn't look like Selke defense.

 

[Regal]

if I look at:

I'd say that this doesn't look like Selke defense.

Nope. But these also don’t suggest Ovechkin was any better defensively:

 

[MessierII]

Ovy

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Was this the year OV had the record for EN goals or was that the next year?

 

[wetcoast]

Was this the year OV had the record for EN goals or was that the next year?

He had 9 ENG that year so their goal scoring difference comes down to that and PPG and Crosby has more ESG but MJ will make a huge deal about total goals and some outrageous defensive claims which is amusing I guess.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

Ovechkin easily

 

[norrisnick]

He had 9 ENG that year so their goal scoring difference comes down to that and PPG and Crosby has more ESG but MJ will make a huge deal about total goals and some outrageous defensive claims which is amusing I guess.

You might want to take a gander at Sid's empty net production for this year.

 

[Kuz]

Was he playing at that level? Or was he just getting lucky and putting up points? If I remember he had some absurd on ice shooting percentage for the first half of the season

15,4 % lower than Drai (23,8 %) and McDavid (16 %) during that part of the season.So nothing absurd about his shooting percentage.

 

[Kuz]

He had 9 ENG that year so their goal scoring difference comes down to that and PPG and Crosby has more ESG but MJ will make a huge deal about total goals and some outrageous defensive claims which is amusing I guess.

Crosby has 7 ENG this year himself... Also 10 ENP to Ovi's 9 ENP.

So without emptynet points

Ovi: 41 G 40 A 82 P in 77 games. 1.06 PPG
Crosby: 35G 49 A 84 P in 82 games. 1.02 PPG

Primary points:
Ovi: 73 in 77 games. 0,95 primary points per game.
Crosby: 76 in 82 games. 0,93 Primary points per game.

Close, but slightly in favour of Ovi on PPG and more goals.

54,6 % in even strength goals for to Ovechkin vs Crosby 54,1 % compared to even strengt against.

All in all pretty close with a slight edge to Ovi production wise in a lower scoring year. Crosby's defence have also fallen this year so I dont think it makes up for the difference.

If we had compared since draftyear I would have had Crosby's 23/24 clearly over Ovi's 22/23.

 

[ijuka]

Nope. But these also don’t suggest Ovechkin was any better defensively:

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Ovechkin 3 defense and Crosby 7 defense, what a battle

 

[Old Gregg]

Crosby because he played in all 82 games and that is the most important stat

 

[SkinsFan09]

Was this the year OV had the record for EN goals or was that the next year?

Tied with Pavel Bure who had 9 ENG during a 60 goal season for Florida.

Crosby has 7 empty net goals this year (No. 1 in NHL), and 10 empty net points compared to the 9 empty net points Ovechkin had that year.

Crosby is also No. 2 in empty net points all time (70) to Gretzky. To be clear, this is not a "Crosby is overrated" post, it's a stop obsessing over empty net stuff post.

Great players get empty net points.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

15,4 % lower than Drai (23,8 %) and McDavid (16 %) during that part of the season.So nothing absurd about his shooting percentage.

Not his individual shooting percentage, his team's while he was on the ice

 

[wetcoast]

You might want to take a gander at Sid's empty net production for this year.

I was referring to the goal scoring differences in that post and sure Crosby is out alot late in games because he is a premier faceoff guy and has high hockey IQ and some defensive chops too.

 

[wetcoast]

Crosby has 7 ENG this year himself... Also 10 ENP to Ovi's 9 ENP.

So without emptynet points

Ovi: 41 G 40 A 82 P in 77 games. 1.06 PPG
Crosby: 35G 49 A 84 P in 82 games. 1.02 PPG

Primary points:
Ovi: 73 in 77 games. 0,95 primary points per game.
Crosby: 76 in 82 games. 0,93 Primary points per game.

Close, but slightly in favour of Ovi on PPG and more goals.

54,6 % in even strength goals for to Ovechkin vs Crosby 54,1 % compared to even strengt against.

All in all pretty close with a slight edge to Ovi production wise in a lower scoring year. Crosby's defence have also fallen this year so I dont think it makes up for the difference.

If we had compared since draftyear I would have had Crosby's 23/24 clearly over Ovi's 22/23.

Fair enough, my main point was that their goal scoring differences aren't that great and I'd point out that primary points is basically doubling counting goals and dido with ESG as most ENG are at ES as well

But sure slight edge to goal scoring for Ovi but for overall play and impact it's clearly Crosby at this age.