Barkov or Matthews?

[Stephen]

Well that settles it. Matthews had the better start. Someone should have told the Sedins they were always going to be behind all of the quick starters.

Don't worry, Barkov will probably outscore Elias Pettersson for the remainder of their careers.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

It took Barkov 5 seasons to reach the offensive output Matthews did in his second with significantly more ice-time lmao...yes, offensively speaking, pretty good bet that Matthews outscores Barkov going forward.

There's no need to get condescending about it.
And Barkov is still not playing anywhere close to his potential as well, even with the 5 years time in, just FYI.
He doesn't grasp the concept of the direct approach of NA hockey. He doesn't shoot, he doesn't drive the net, he doesn't like to have the puck on his stick at all, which means he doesn't use his size nearly as much as he could. Even with that, he still almost went a PPG last season.
Some players really have the European style ingrained in them, and they don't use their tools nearly as much as they should for NA hockey. Even though it's been 5 years, he still hasn't made huge changes in that area. He's gotten a little better, but not nearly as much as you should to come close to reaching his potential.
But, with the small sample size of one game, he seems to be improving that area of adjustment to a more NA style of game. So his offensive totals could shoot up.

 

[FLpanthers16]

There's no need to get condescending about it.
And Barkov is still not playing anywhere close to his potential as well, even with the 5 years time in, just FYI.
He doesn't grasp the concept of the direct approach of NA hockey. He doesn't shoot, he doesn't drive the net, he doesn't like to have the puck on his stick at all, which means he doesn't use his size nearly as much as he could. Even with that, he still almost went a PPG last season.
Some players really have the European style ingrained in them, and they don't use their tools nearly as much as they should for NA hockey. Even though it's been 5 years, he still hasn't made huge changes in that area. He's gotten a little better, but not nearly as much as you should to come close to reaching his potential.
But, with the small sample size of one game, he seems to be improving that area of adjustment to a more NA style of game. So his offensive totals could shoot up.

Would direct people to our game against Tampa to see how dominant he was, looked like a top 3 player in the league for the most part even with no points that game.


Btw for people saying ohh it took him this and this long to get that amount of points, keep in mind that he played with Brad boyes and freaking sean bergenheim his first year or two. Had to carry a old Jagr and a bunch of other not so good players over the years.

 

[HarryLime]

More goals but what was barkovs xps350 last game ?

 

[authentic]

Would direct people to our game against Tampa to see how dominant he was, looked like a top 3 player in the league for the most part even with no points that game.


Btw for people saying ohh it took him this and this long to get that amount of points, keep in mind that he played with Brad boyes and freaking sean bergenheim his first year or two. Had to carry a old Jagr and a bunch of other not so good players over the years.

An old Jagr was a not so good player? He had 66 points in 79 games when Barkov only played in 66 games. His points per game was barely worse than Barkov's in nearly a full season.

 

[Halla]

Matthews is gonna come back and win this, as he should.

7g/10pts in 4 games. craziness

 

[Peiskos]

If Barkov wins this poll it essentially confirms the anti-Leafs bias on this site, ridiculous numbers for Matthews right now.

 

[Halla]

If Barkov wins this poll it essentially confirms the anti-Leafs bias on this site, ridiculous numbers for Matthews right now.

since AM34 came into the league

Matthews: 81g/142pts in 148 games (0.96ppg)
Barkov: 48g/130pts in 142 games (0.92ppg)

its close, but matthews has to take it with that massive goal advantage. also he plays 3 mins less per night, and its his first 2 seasons vs barkovs 4th and 5th

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

I like both players. I think Matthews has higher upside is a better player at his position.

This is just preference for Matthews, I have no problem with Barkov - I like him a lot.

 

[Beezeral]

since AM34 came into the league

Matthews: 81g/142pts in 148 games (0.96ppg)
Barkov: 48g/130pts in 142 games (0.92ppg)

its close, but matthews has to take it with that massive goal advantage. also he plays 3 mins less per night, and its his first 2 seasons vs barkovs 4th and 5th

Does it matter that pretty much all of those 3 minutes are pk time or double shifting with the 4th line in defensive zone situations?

 

[Halla]

Does it matter that pretty much all of those 3 minutes are pk time or double shifting with the 4th line in defensive zone situations?

what about nearly an extra min of PP? ignored that conveniently

Barkov: 20:56 (16:11 ES/ 3:11 PP)

Matthews: 17:51 (15:31 ES/ 2:19 PP)

so its a minute and a half more at es/pp. but if we are gonna ignore the shorthanded time, we gotta take out the 5 goals barkov has scored shorthanded right?

ES/PP production
81g/142pts in 148 games matthews vs 43g/127pts in 142 games Barkov

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

what about nearly an extra min of PP? ignored that conveniently

Barkov: 20:56 (16:11 ES/ 3:11 PP)

Matthews: 17:51 (15:31 ES/ 2:19 PP)

so its a minute and a half more at es/pp. but if we are gonna ignore the shorthanded time, we gotta take out the 5 goals barkov has scored shorthanded right?

ES/PP production
81g/142pts in 148 games matthews vs 43g/127pts in 142 games Barkov

You would cherry pick the stat the favors the home player.

 

[Halla]

I like both players. I think Matthews has higher upside is a better player at his position.

This is just preference for Matthews, I have no problem with Barkov - I like him a lot.

Id probably have Barkov hovering around #10 or so for top C, but he just doesnt have the offensive upside of AM34.
He is a solid #1C, an all star at that. but he isnt a franchise talent like matthews imho

 

[Halla]

You would cherry pick the stat the favors the home player.

comparing matthews totals vs barkovs totals since matthews came in the league is cherry picking?

you clearly dont know what that means eh? im not talking about most goals on a tuesday after a road game that ended in less that 5 goals

also matthews>bergeron

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

comparing matthews totals vs barkovs totals since matthews came in the league is cherry picking?

you clearly dont know what that means eh? im not talking about most goals on a tuesday after a road game that ended in less that 5 goals

also matthews>bergeron

You finish with your strongest argument, the one naturally favoring your player.

By the way, you designed the poll poorly from the start... also to boost your hero. Surprising.

 

[zeke]

The problem is that HFboards has always slotted Matthews in to the entirely wrong tier of player quality.

So you get so many threads like these.

 

[Beezeral]

Id probably have Barkov hovering around #10 or so for top C, but he just doesnt have the offensive upside of AM34.
He is a solid #1C, an all star at that. but he isnt a franchise talent like matthews imho

Is Kopitar a franchise talent? What about Bergeron?

 

[Johno]

It took Barkov 5 seasons to reach the offensive output Matthews did in his second with significantly more ice-time lmao...yes, offensively speaking, pretty good bet that Matthews outscores Barkov going forward.

The F*** you on about?
Barkov's 3rd season is pretty much comparable to Matthews' 2nd
59 in 66 vs 63 in 62 quite comparable.
Besides at least Barkov's PPG season was during (about) a full season.

 

[The Burdened]

Barkov has somehow become one of the more overrated players on here.
He's very very very good, but people put him on the level of actual franchise C's are out to lunch.

 

[Beezeral]

Barkov has somehow become one of the more overrated players on here.
He's very very very good, but people put him on the level of actual franchise C's are out to lunch.

how is he not a franchise C?

 

[authentic]

The F*** you on about?
Barkov's 3rd season is pretty much comparable to Matthews' 2nd
59 in 66 vs 63 in 62 quite comparable.
Besides at least Barkov's PPG season was during (about) a full season.

One is clearly better, lol. Barkov played with better wingers too.

 

[WillTheThrill]

Barkov vs Eichel is the better question.

 

[HarryLime]

Barkov has somehow become one of the more overrated players on here.
He's very very very good, but people put him on the level of actual franchise C's are out to lunch.

Despite my posts ITT I really like him too I just get annoyed at the super analytics crowd. Not talking about panther fans here I just can't stand it. They dominate baseball and are starting to dominate basketball discussions too. Goals matter and so do RBIs. Barkov can absolutely be Bergeron or Kopitar or maybe better but 40 goals as a rookie trumps that. Point blank end of discussion. Matthews puts up 45 if he stays healthy last year and will get 50 barring Injuries this year. That's what makes the game fun and that's what wins a lot of games.

 

[FLpanthers16]

One is clearly better, lol. Barkov played with better wingers too.

Jagr does not touch 66 points with out Barkov on his line.

Or lets talk about the times he had to carry the superstar Seth Griffith and still going PPG for 25+ games. Or the fact that he had the studs in Brad Boyes and Sean Bergenheim on his line to start his career.

Lets ignore the fact that he even said that defense was his biggest priority coming in to the league hence the lack of production

 

[Beezeral]

Despite my posts ITT I really like him too I just get annoyed at the super analytics crowd. Not talking about panther fans here I just can't stand it. They dominate baseball and are starting to dominate basketball discussions too. Goals matter and so do RBIs. Barkov can absolutely be Bergeron or Kopitar or maybe better but 40 goals as a rookie trumps that. Point blank end of discussion. Matthews puts up 45 if he stays healthy last year and will get 50 barring Injuries this year. That's what makes the game fun and that's what wins a lot of games.

Goals matter. But there is a lot more to the game then goals. There is preventing goals and helping other people score goals, two things that Barkov is elite at. You can't discount two extremely important factors of the game and expect people to take it in stride.