ATD Redux Playoffs - Finals: Brooklyn Americans (1) vs. Nova Scotia Voyageurs (5)

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Brooklyn Americans

coach Tommy Ivan

Ted Lindsay - Sid Abel (C) - Gordie Howe
Herbie Lewis - Marty Barry - Bernie Morris
Zach Parise - Patrice Bergeron (A) - Ron Ellis
Rusty Crawford - Ryan Getzlaf - Bill Guerin

Victor Hedman - Earl Seibert
Harvey Pulford (A) - Harry Cameron
Vitali Davydov - Flash Hollett
Vasili Pervukhin

Charlie Gardiner
Chuck Rayner

PP1: Ted Lindsay - Sid Abel - Gordie Howe - Harry Cameron - Flash Hollett
PP2: Marty Barry - Ryan Getzlaf - Bernie Morris - Earl Seibert - Victor Hedman

PK1: Patrice Bergeron - Herbie Lewis - Harvey Pulford - Earl Seibert
PK2: Rusty Crawford - Gordie Howe - Vitali Davydov - Victor Hedman

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Coach: Hap Day
Captain: Mario Lemieux
Assistant: Bill Cook
Assistant: Dit Clapper

Tommy Phillips - Mario Lemieux - Bill Cook
Dany Heatley - Nicklas Backstrom - Helmuts Balderis
Clark Gillies - Jonathan Toews - Mike Gartner
Rick Martin - Pat Lafontaine - Odie Cleghorn
Nate MacKinnon
Lynn Patrick

Guy Lapointe - Dit Clapper
Lionel Conacher - Jack Crawford
Barry Beck - Bobby Rowe
Dave Burrows

Glenn Hall
Hap Holmes

PP1:
Clapper
Lemieux - Cook - Backstrom
Lapointe

PP2:
Balderis
Heatley - Lafontaine - Martin
L. Conacher

PK1: Toews, Phillips, Lapointe, Clapper
PK2: Cleghorn, Gartner, L. Conacher, Crawford

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[VanIslander]

Marvel at those line-ups!

Both are deserving champions, great picks from rounds of the last all-time draft.

(Though they have the most underwhelming 30-minute-a-game top pairing defensemen in our draft. Seriously. Not a top-15 defenseman in sight in an 8-team ATD.)

 

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	Vg7 20	Va7 20	Vp7 20	2021 ATDR TEAM
Gordie Howe	65.5	80	125.5	brook
Ted Lindsay	48.4	78.4	104.4	brook
Marty Barry	45.6	55.9	89.6	brook
Sid Abel	38.8	66.9	87.3	brook
Ryan Getzlaf		65	83.7	brook
Herbie Lewis	33.6	51	75	brook
Zach Parise	37.9		70.9	brook
Patrice Bergeron	31.9		68	brook
Earl Seibert				brook
Victor Hedman		48.6		brook
Charlie Gardiner				brook
Harry Cameron				brook
Harvey Pulford				brook
Tommy Ivan				brook
Bernie Morris				brook
Flash Hollett				brook
Rusty Crawford				brook
Vitaly Davydov				brook
Ron Ellis	34.4			brook
Bill Guerin	36.8			brook
Chuck Rayner				brook
Vasili Pervukhin				brook
Mario Lemieux	54.5	82.3	119.8	NS
Bill Cook	52.7	50	96	NS
Nicklas Backstrom		71.7	87.7	NS
Dany Heatley	42.1	51.2	81	NS
Lynn Patrick	36.5	53.8	79.4	NS
Pat Lafontaine	41	47.5	78.5	NS
Dit Clapper	37.9	48.9	73.7	NS
Jonathan Toews	36.1	47.4	73.7	NS
Rick Martin	42.6		73.1	NS
Nathan Mackinnon		56.6	80.1
Mike Gartner	41.6		68.8	NS
Glenn Hall				NS
Guy Lapointe		46.6		NS
Lionel Conacher				NS
Tommy Phillips				NS
Jack Crawford				NS
Helmut Balderis				NS
Hap DayCoach				NS
Clark Gillies				NS
Barry Beck				NS
Bobby Rowe				NS
Odie Cleghorn				NS
Hap Holmes				NS
Dave Burrows				NS

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[tinyzombies]

VsX7 Pts (VsX7 goals)

Ted Lindsay 104.4 (48.4g) - Sid Abel 87.3 (38.8g) - Gordie Howe 125.5 (65.6g) - true linemates
Herbie Lewis 75 (33.6g) - Marty Barry 89.6 (45.6g) - Bernie Morris - true linemates?
Zach Parise 70.9 (37.9g) - Patrice Bergeron 68 (31.9g) - Ron Ellis (34.4g)
Rusty Crawford - Ryan Getzlaf (83.7) - Bill Guerin (36.8g)

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Tommy Phillips (31st winger all-time; best 2way of era, speed, shot) - Mario Lemieux 119.8 (54.5g) - Bill Cook 96 (52.7g) (52.7g)
Dany Heatley 81 (42.1g) - Nicklas Backstrom 87.7 (71.7a) - Helmuts Balderis
Rick Martin 73.1 (42.6g) - Pat Lafontaine 78.5 (41g) - Mike Gartner 68.8 (41.6g)
Clark Gillies / Nate MacKinnon (80.1) - Jonathan Toews 73.7 (36.1g) - Odie Cleghorn

 

[tinyzombies]

First line I think it's a wash even though you've very impressively reunited the Production Line. For me Mario = Howe, Cook = Lindsay (if not edge Cook) and Phillips = Abel. If Mario and Cook played together they'd have even bigger numbers, and remove Abel from those two and there's a steep decline. I think my Gillies - Toews - Odie Cleghorn line has just as good a chance limiting the damage of the Production Line as you have of stopping my top line. In any matchup scenario, including power vs power, I don't see any edge here. Both my top two D units (Lapointe-Clapper, Conacher-Crawford) are well built to deal with Gordie and company.

Second line, I think you reunited those three? What gives me an edge imho is that Balderis's peak was best player in Russia a few years, correct me if I'm wrong. I think that gives my line more scoring punch? I'll leave this one to the experts.

I also like my third line firepower and open ice speed over yours - it has the feel and same level of skill/playmaking/scoring of the French Connection.

Fourth line I will try to match up vs Production line when it's not power vs power vs my top line. MacKinnon might get some ozone starts or starts after our top two lines have matched up and are on the bench, but I'll rely on Gillies paired with either Lionel Conacher or Lapointe to try to deal with Gordie on that wing. If you get last change, I still have Beck on that side, but I obviously will do everything to avoid that. I feel Toews can skate rings around Abel and is easily just as tough and Mario will ride roughshod over Abel. On my right side I am built to deal with Lindsay as well with Dit Clapper and Black Jack Crawford.

In nets I love Gardiner's peak, but have to go with Glenn Hall. And Hap Day did nothing but win and ran a Leaf dynasty.

My top four on defense are Lapointe-Clapper, Conacher-Crawford. I think very slight edge to my defense and toughness but I think you have the edge offensively, which is balanced by my slight overall edge offensively up front.

Special teams both look awesome to me.

Looks very close to me, but I see a scoring edge for me and a defensive edge on my blueline and in nets. I also drafted with leadership in mind: Lemieux, Cook, Clapper, Conacher, Toews, Crawford, Lafontaine.

I'll wait for more learned minds to help fill out this impression.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

First line I think it's a wash even though you've very impressively reunited the Production Line. For me Mario = Howe, Cook = Lindsay (if not edge Cook) and Phillips = Abel. If Mario and Cook played together they'd have even bigger numbers, and remove Abel from those two and there's a steep decline. I think my Gillies - Toews - Odie Cleghorn line has just as good a chance limiting the damage of the Production Line as you have of stopping my top line. In any matchup scenario, including power vs power, I don't see any edge here. Both my top two D units (Lapointe-Clapper, Conacher-Crawford) are well built to deal with Gordie and company.

Second line, I think you reunited those three? What gives me an edge imho is that Balderis's peak was best player in Russia a few years, correct me if I'm wrong. I think that gives my line more scoring punch? I'll leave this one to the experts.

I also like my third line firepower and open ice speed over yours - it has the feel and same level of skill/playmaking/scoring of the French Connection.

Fourth line I will try to match up vs Production line when it's not power vs power vs my top line. MacKinnon might get some ozone starts or starts after our top two lines have matched up and are on the bench, but I'll rely on Gillies paired with either Lionel Conacher or Lapointe to try to deal with Gordie on that wing. If you get last change, I still have Beck on that side, but I obviously will do everything to avoid that. I feel Toews can skate rings around Abel and is easily just as tough and Mario will ride roughshod over Abel. On my right side I am built to deal with Lindsay as well with Dit Clapper and Black Jack Crawford.

In nets I love Gardiner's peak, but have to go with Glenn Hall. And Hap Day did nothing but win and ran a Leaf dynasty.

My top four on defense are Lapointe-Clapper, Conacher-Crawford. I think very slight edge to my defense and toughness but I think you have the edge offensively, which is balanced by my slight overall edge offensively up front.

Special teams both look awesome to me.

Looks very close to me, but I see a scoring edge for me and a defensive edge on my blueline and in nets. I also drafted with leadership in mind: Lemieux, Cook, Clapper, Conacher, Toews, Crawford, Lafontaine.

I'll wait for more learned minds to help fill out this impression.

My biggest disagreements:

1) I think Abel was probably better than Phillips, perhaps a lot better. Phillips is such a hard player to get a read on, because he only played the single season in the best league in the world - the ECHA, where he was quite good, but not otherwordly:

Russell Bowie	Victorias	10	31
Marty Walsh	Ottawa	9	28
Tommy Phillips	Ottawa	10	26
Charles Power	Quebec	10	23

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Beyond that, in his short career, he was generally among the leaders in the MHL, but that league was so weak, he really should have been dominating.

On the other hand, Phillips sure was great in Stanley Cup Challenges, so he was a "clutch" player at least.

I'm pretty sure I was the first one to ever use Phillips on a 1st line in the ATD, and I used him as a defensive conscience on a left-wing lock team. His offensive credentials are just so... confusing.

But anyway, my point is that his career was quite short, and his regular season stats at least are inconclusive.

2) I like Marty Barry the most, among 2nd line players.

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Anyway, in terms of strategy, I think it's pretty clear that Lemieux-Cook is Nova Scotia's biggest strength. So Tommy Ivan would definitely do well to focus on them. They are going to see lots of Patrice Bergeron, perhaps with Rusty Crawford as his winger (dropping Parise to the 4th line).

Brooklyn has a trio of big, strong defensemen in Seibert, Hedman, and Pulford, who won't allow themselves to be physically pushed around by Bill Cook. (Luckily the puny Harry Cameron is playing the right side, where he'd rarely face Cook in a one-on-one).

 

[tinyzombies]

My biggest disagreements:

1) I think Abel was probably better than Phillips, perhaps a lot better. Phillips is such a hard player to get a read on, because he only played the single season in the best league in the world - the ECHA, where he was quite good, but not otherwordly:

Russell Bowie	Victorias	10	31
Marty Walsh	Ottawa	9	28
Tommy Phillips	Ottawa	10	26
Charles Power	Quebec	10	23

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Beyond that, in his short career, he was generally among the leaders in the MHL, but that league was so weak, he really should have been dominating.

On the other hand, Phillips sure was great in Stanley Cup Challenges, so he was a "clutch" player at least.

I'm pretty sure I was the first one to ever use Phillips on a 1st line in the ATD, and I used him as a defensive conscience on a left-wing lock team. His offensive credentials are just so... confusing.

But anyway, my point is that his career was quite short, and his regular season stats at least are inconclusive.

2) I like Marty Barry the most, among 2nd line players.

_______________

Anyway, in terms of strategy, I think it's pretty clear that Lemieux-Cook is Nova Scotia's biggest strength. So Tommy Ivan would definitely do well to focus on them. They are going to see lots of Patrice Bergeron, perhaps with Rusty Crawford as his winger (dropping Parise to the 4th line).

Brooklyn has a trio of big, strong defensemen in Seibert, Hedman, and Pulford, who won't allow themselves to be physically pushed around by Bill Cook. (Luckily the puny Harry Cameron is playing the right side, where he'd rarely face Cook in a one-on-one).

How do you compare the relative strengths of the lines?

Playing with Lemieux is steps up from Boucher, so Cook's ratings get a boost, same for Phillips as does having Lapointe-Clapper and Conacher-Crawford.. Crawford allows Lionel to expand his offense and physicality. That must get me close at least.

The strength of my top 6 and top 4 is puck possession I feel. I have good size and skill. Production Line does as well obviously. Amd his top 3.

I think our checking lines are similar but I have a touch more offense? Also, with Gillies, Toews, Cleghorn, Beck, and my Big Four I have an overall edge in toughness?