ATD 2011 Draft Thread III

[jarek]

I have a one man list for TDMM if we get to him.

 

[nik jr]

zubov was another player i thought a lot about picking. especially b/c he was great on PP, but was also a good defensive player in dallas.

i have thought for a long time that zubov's norris and AS record is not as good as he was. when i looked back through the all star and award thread, i noticed that one of his (undrafted) contemporaries often had better votes, but was clearly not as good.

pronger vs niedermayer is a similar case. imo, pronger was clearly a superior player in both regular season and playoffs, but niedermayer has more 1st AS and a smythe.

 

[DoMakc]

imo, lidstrom's problem with big players is near the net. he does not clear the crease very well.

I agree, but it's a much bigger problem on PK, where you can pair him with a bigger defenceman, and i don't see how an aggressive, but rather small partner helpes him in that regard.

 

[jarek]

By the way, Nighthawks, when you pick, might be a good idea to leave a list with a couple people, since you have 3 of the next 10 or so.

 

[Leafs Forever]

i thought a lot about picking babe siebert, since i found that he played D before '36.

in '28, siebert played F and D and was named maroons' MVP. i wonder if playing 2 positions made players more likely to win MVPs. several hart winners did it.

siebert was also among the fastest players in the NHL. he tied howie morenz for fastest time around the montreal forum.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

 

[Sturminator]

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

I will post the game reports I have which chronicle Siebert's at least half season at D in 27-28 when I post the info I have about Hooley Smith's time on defense in Montreal. I need to give it a bit of time, though, because it folds into a broader discussion of Smith's defensive game which needs to wait until a couple of other players are drafted, which will be a while unless someone loses his mind.

 

[nik jr]

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

i read one of the reports again. (december 26, 1927 montreal gazette)

it says siebert "lost control of the puck for a time just after the start, otherwise he would have smashed the record by a good margin."

"190 yard turn of the forum ice in 17 seconds flat."

siebert was called a LW in the report.

 

[BM67]

do you know when this rule was instituted?

27-28 for the original rule, 96-97 for the current limit of 63".

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Who is on the clock right now? I may leave a list.

 

[MadArcand]

Hmmm. I was sure Zubov would be availiable when I pick next. Not that I'd pick him (as I had him before...). Underrated player, really.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Hmmm. I was sure Zubov would be availiable when I pick next. Not that I'd pick him (as I had him before...). Underrated player, really.

I expected him to be there at 200, this is way higher than he usually goes. Not that it's a bad pick by N.S.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Ah, crap, was gonna pick Zubov myself as well.

Solid choice.

 

[MadArcand]

I expected him to be there at 200, this is way higher than he usually goes. Not that it's a bad pick by N.S.

Yeah he tends to go late. Another player in the Blake tier, though, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Nothing's moving? when is the clock over?

 

[Velociraptor]

Who is on the clock right now? I may leave a list.

Nighthawks, I'm here all night, send me your list.

 

[BenchBrawl]

when is the clock over?

 

[Velociraptor]

when is the clock over?

12:23 AM EST

Nighthawks should show up soon.

 

[nik jr]

27-28 for the original rule, 96-97 for the current limit of 63".

thanks

Yeah he tends to go late. Another player in the Blake tier, though, as far as I'm concerned.

agreed

i did not see much difference between zubov (in dallas) and blake (or niedermayer) at the same time. dallas was more structured, though, which helps.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Yeah he tends to go late. Another player in the Blake tier, though, as far as I'm concerned.

He doesn't have the resume Blake does, but really what is the gap between the two of them?

 

[Nighthawks]

nik great pick on Lemaire. I was definitely eyeing him. Pick to come in a few.

 

[BigDucky]

Dang, I was hoping Lemaire would fall to 180. Gotta look somewhere else for Gordie's center now.

 

[Nighthawks]

With the 168th pick in the 2011 ATD the New Haven Nighthawks select Rod Gilbert, RW.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

We are one pick away. I PM'd Velociraptor our list. Have a good night fellas.

 

[Nighthawks]

We are one pick away. I PM'd Velociraptor our list. Have a good night fellas.

I'll be one for a while so feel free to send any lists my way.

 

[nik jr]

nik great pick on Lemaire. I was definitely eyeing him. Pick to come in a few.

Dang, I was hoping Lemaire would fall to 180. Gotta look somewhere else for Gordie's center now.

imo, lemaire was not the best scoring line C, but i needed to find someone who would allow hull to play his best, while still having an effective line.


lemaire was also a clutch player. tied with lafleur for most playoff points in the '70s, scored many big playoff goals in his career, set a record (with cournoyer) for most points in a finals series in '73 and could have won the '79 smythe.