Around the League 29: Which RFA blinks first?

[DaveG]

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[Anton Dubinchuk]

I bet it's Svechnikov.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

This is one heck of a staring contest. How do they keep this up?

 

[Svechhammer]

I bet it's Svechnikov.

Possibly, but I have a sneaky feeling that Kotkaniemi might shake things up a bit

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Possibly, but I have a sneaky feeling that Kotkaniemi might shake things up a bit

Good thought but I still think Svech is first.

 

[Svechhammer]

Good thought but I still think Svech is first.

either way, I think it all goes down within 24 hours of each other

 

[Lempo]

I bet it's Svechnikov.

Imma let you finish, but Laine is one of the blinkiest 2OA RFA ever.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I'm just somewhat surprised that the Pettersson/Tkachuk/Kaprizov RFA sagas didn't end the moment that Svech's did. It may well be, however, that agents around the league knew that Carolina and Svech were going to agree on a "contender's rate", similar to what Brayden Point and Tampa agreed to (under $10M a year for a true #1 center is absolutely a contender's discount price, relatively-speaking), and they think that they can squeeze more out of an Ottawa (non-playoff) or a Minnesota (on the bubble).

 

[NotOpie]

I'm just somewhat surprised that the Pettersson/Tkachuk/Kaprizov RFA sagas didn't end the moment that Svech's did. It may well be, however, that agents around the league knew that Carolina and Svech were going to agree on a "contender's rate", similar to what Brayden Point and Tampa agreed to (under $10M a year for a true #1 center is absolutely a contender's discount price, relatively-speaking), and they think that they can squeeze more out of an Ottawa (non-playoff) or a Minnesota (on the bubble).

I'm gonna somewhat disagree...I see a real bridge at the appropriate rate for Pettersson and Tkachuk (2 years?). I have no idea as to ACV, maybe in the mid - $6 million to low $7 million neighborhood.

In the end, I think Minnesota and Kaprizov end up with a longer term deal (6 to 8 years) in the high $7 million to low $8 million range. The talk about a 10 figure deal in the KHL is agent bullshit in my opinion. They just don't often put those kind of dollars on the table in that league.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I'm gonna somewhat disagree...I see a real bridge at the appropriate rate for Pettersson and Tkachuk (2 years?). I have no idea as to ACV, maybe in the mid - $6 million to low $7 million neighborhood.

In the end, I think Minnesota and Kaprizov end up with a longer term deal (6 to 8 years) in the high $7 million to low $8 million range. The talk about a 10 figure deal in the KHL is agent bullshit in my opinion. They just don't often put those kind of dollars on the table in that league.

I see that happening for Petey because Vancouver lacks the kind of cap space needed for a non-bridge due to Quinn Hughes. Ottawa and Minnesota, however, theoretically have enough space to go max-term with Tkachuk and Kaprizov. That's why I have been speculating on why these contracts weren't resolved the day after Svechnikov's extension. My personal guess is the we suck tax on Ottawa's part, either paid with term loss or AAV hikes, and the Parise/Suter dead cap hits with Minnesota shrinking the margin of error for fitting Kap's extension into Guerin's salary structure.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'm just somewhat surprised that the Pettersson/Tkachuk/Kaprizov RFA sagas didn't end the moment that Svech's did. It may well be, however, that agents around the league knew that Carolina and Svech were going to agree on a "contender's rate", similar to what Brayden Point and Tampa agreed to (under $10M a year for a true #1 center is absolutely a contender's discount price, relatively-speaking), and they think that they can squeeze more out of an Ottawa (non-playoff) or a Minnesota (on the bubble).

Why would other RFAs sign just because Svechnikov did?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Why would other RFAs sign just because Svechnikov did?

Market comp-ing.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Market comp-ing.

So when Aho signed , it means we should have been surprised that all the other RFAs, including Point didn’t sign right away?

Same with Svechnikov, even though it wasn’t an offer sheet. Some RfAs are going to drag it out. Happens every year and not surprising at all.

 

[DaveG]

So when Aho signed , it means we should have been surprised that all the other RFAs, including Point didn’t sign right away?

Same with Svechnikov, even though it wasn’t an offer sheet. Some RfAs are going to drag it out. Happens every year and not surprising at all.

Yep. I mean only one that's realistically in any kind of time crunch is Kaprizov. Both Vancouver and Ottawa shouldn't be expected to do a damn thing this year, Minnesota is a fringe playoff team at least and a year of Kap playing catchup by missing camp would be a disaster. Of course, if the other 2 are using him as a comparable on their deals, they're not signing before he does.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Yep. I mean only one that's realistically in any kind of time crunch is Kaprizov. Both Vancouver and Ottawa shouldn't be expected to do a damn thing this year, Minnesota is a fringe playoff team at least and a year of Kap playing catchup by missing camp would be a disaster. Of course, if the other 2 are using him as a comparable on their deals, they're not signing before he does.

The thread on the main board about how good the canucks will be is pretty funny. Quite a few nicks fans expect them to be good

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I'm gonna somewhat disagree...I see a real bridge at the appropriate rate for Pettersson and Tkachuk (2 years?). I have no idea as to ACV, maybe in the mid - $6 million to low $7 million neighborhood.

In the end, I think Minnesota and Kaprizov end up with a longer term deal (6 to 8 years) in the high $7 million to low $8 million range. The talk about a 10 figure deal in the KHL is agent bullshit in my opinion. They just don't often put those kind of dollars on the table in that league.

Well, considering ten figures is a billion dollars, I guess not!

Unless you're talking rubles, in which case, who knows, man

 

[NotOpie]

I see that happening for Petey because Vancouver lacks the kind of cap space needed for a non-bridge due to Quinn Hughes. Ottawa and Minnesota, however, theoretically have enough space to go max-term with Tkachuk and Kaprizov. That's why I have been speculating on why these contracts weren't resolved the day after Svechnikov's extension. My personal guess is the we suck tax on Ottawa's part, either paid with term loss or AAV hikes, and the Parise/Suter dead cap hits with Minnesota shrinking the margin of error for fitting Kap's extension into Guerin's salary structure.

It's pretty well known or at least widely speculated that Tkachuk wants to play in the US, even more specifically in STL if possible. So I think that's more in play on a short term type deal than any perceived "we suck" tax.

Well, considering ten figures is a billion dollars, I guess not!

Unless you're talking rubles, in which case, who knows, man

Rubles, 8 figures, what's the diff?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

The thread on the main board about how good the canucks will be is pretty funny. Quite a few nicks fans expect them to be good

They will be in the west. They only have to be mediocre to be a top 4 team in the division.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

The thread on the main board about how good the canucks will be is pretty funny. Quite a few nicks fans expect them to be good

I mean, I love Conor Garland, but I don't know if him and OEL will be quite enough for the Nucks to get over that mediocre-to-somewhat bad hump. I also think that their defensive right side of Myers/Hamonic/Poolman is...questionable. I mean, I think Hamonic is a good player in the right role, but the other two did not look all that great last year.

 

[DaveG]

They will be in the west. They only have to be mediocre to be a top 4 team in the division.

Would still need to beat out 5 Central though IIRC which I just don't see happening.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Kaprizov just isn’t like the others. He’s the only one whose alternative to signing is having a dump truck of tax free money dumped in his driveway.

 

[HisIceness]

I dare Seattle to offer-sheet Petterson. There, now that they've been dared they have to do it.

 

[AeroFishOne]

I dare Seattle to offer-sheet Petterson. There, now that they've been dared they have to do it.

Francis making a bold move for once would absolutely be something to see

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Francis making a bold move for once would absolutely be something to see

I mean, by Francis standards, being the highest bidder for Grubauer this UFA cycle is very "bold", relatively speaking.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I mean, by Francis standards, being the highest bidder for Grubauer this UFA cycle is very "bold", relatively speaking.

I still think if Francis could spend to the cap he would’ve gone out and paid the best goalie he could when he was here.