Speculation: Armchair GM Thread 2021-22 VII (Eichel? Never Heard of Him)

[Ace Rimmer]

Continued from previous threads:

Speculation: - Armchair GM Thread 2021-22 VI (the one where we ALMOST got Eichel)

Speculation: - Armchair GM Thread 2021-22 V (The Undiscovered Country)

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[Mobiandi]

Preparations for this off-season will be a nightmare for this team's front office.

I'm just gonna enjoy the ride this season, as it'll probably the best chance we'll get with this core as it is. I'm hoping for a proactive Treliving who will make a trade before the roster freeze to supplement our forwards but I doubt we're planning on doing anything until after the Olympic break

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Did someone say VII?



Anyways IMO our biggest needs are

- Playmaking 3C or 3RW (RHS) - We should go after JG Pageau or, if Dim Jim is dumb enough, Bo Horvat.

- Playmaking 4RW (RHS) - We should promote Matthew Phillips, especially opposite Lucic that line wayyyyyyy makes too much sense

- Playdriving 4C - It will probably have to be someone experienced for Sutter to be comfortable, but Richardson is Jay Beagle levels of possession black hole in that role. We need at least a guy who can carry the puck out of the D zone. A name that I'd be interested in is Radek Faksa

 

[super6646]

Obligatory first page post for no reason

 

[TheHudlinator]

Preparations for this off-season will be a nightmare for this team's front office.

I'm just gonna enjoy the ride this season, as it'll probably the best chance we'll get with this core as it is. I'm hoping for a proactive Treliving who will make a trade before the roster freeze to supplement our forwards but I doubt we're planning on doing anything until after the Olympic break

Yea I feel like Treliving hasn't ever managed the cap well so I'm not looking forward to the offseason. But I'm just going to do the same as you and enjoy this team playing like this while I can. I'm terribly afraid of Mangiapane getting offersheeted

 

[Rubi]

With Mangiapane and Kylington becoming RFA's this summer, should we be prepared for an offer sheet or two?
Has Treliving done anything to piss off Tommy Dumbdon lately? Tommy is known to hold a grudge.

 

[super6646]

With Mangiapane and Kylington becoming RFA's this summer, should we be prepared for an offer sheet or two?
Has Treliving done anything to piss off Tommy Dumbdon lately? Tommy is known to hold a grudge.

We need to move monahan and lucic this summer.

Mangi is looking at 7-8 if he keeps this up, Gaudreau 9-11, tkachuk 9. Moving both those contracts makes it easy, but idk if that’ll be doable.

 

[TheHudlinator]

We need to move monahan and lucic this summer.

Mangi is looking at 7-8 if he keeps this up, Gaudreau 9-11, tkachuk 9. Moving both those contracts makes it easy, but idk if that’ll be doable.

Gotta pray lucic is willing to go somewhere else because that contract is buyout proof

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Obligatory first page post for no reason

While I may not normally approve of posts for no reason, I do approve of your sense of traditionalism.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Forsberg, Fiala or Guentzal.

 

[iginlafan77]

If you give Mangiapane 7M, Tkachuk 9M, Gaudreau 10M, and Kylington 4.5M (all estimates, I think they're fairly reasonable)

You then have a team with 9 F, 5D and 2 G. And it's 325k over the cap.
Fill in the spaces with cheap players (Mackey, Duehr, Pelletier, Ruzicka, etc.) all making less than a million.
That team is about 5.5M over the cap.
So theoretically trading away Lucic and taking no cap in return (and replacing him with a prospect) you're then just over 1M over the cap.

 

[Sparky93]

If you give Mangiapane 7M, Tkachuk 9M, Gaudreau 10M, and Kylington 4.5M (all estimates, I think they're fairly reasonable)

You then have a team with 9 F, 5D and 2 G. And it's 325k over the cap.
Fill in the spaces with cheap players (Mackey, Duehr, Pelletier, Ruzicka, etc.) all making less than a million.
That team is about 5.5M over the cap.
So theoretically trading away Lucic and taking no cap in return (and replacing him with a prospect) you're then just over 1M over the cap.

We also have the Brouwer buyout dropping off ($1.5 million). Mangi isn't some highly touted prospect coming up. He'll be 26 years old, coming into this year with 77 career points. If he's even asking around the $7 million neighborhood, he'll be traded. He simple doesn't have the sustained body of work to support it. That being said, I think Kylington will be a little higher. All and all, the summed estimates are probably pretty close.

 

[iginlafan77]

We also have the Brouwer buyout dropping off ($1.5 million). Mangi isn't some highly touted prospect coming up. He'll be 26 years old, coming into this year with 77 career points. If he's even asking around the $7 million neighborhood, he'll be traded. He simple doesn't have the sustained body of work to support it. That being said, I think Kylington will be a little higher. All and all, the summed estimates are probably pretty close.

Yeah I did that on Capfriendly, the Brouwer buyout dropping off would be included.
I definitely can see arguments on exactly what those guys get paid, but it is pretty clear that unless Monahan and/or Lucic go out, the flames really can't afford to re-sign everyone.

I also didn't add any cap increase, so if it does go up at all that's more room

 

[Sparky93]

Yeah I did that on Capfriendly, the Brouwer buyout dropping off would be included.
I definitely can see arguments on exactly what those guys get paid, but it is pretty clear that unless Monahan and/or Lucic go out, the flames really can't afford to re-sign everyone.

I also didn't add any cap increase, so if it does go up at all that's more room

I'm expecting matching contacts, in the Konecny range(5.5), for Mangi and Kylington. Both of Johnny and Tkachuk should be under 10 but we're probably sitting around 19 for the pair. That's about half a million less than you're projecting but realistically, we may end up having to move both Lucic and Monahan, for a little flexibility.

 

[Ainsy01]

If you give Mangiapane 7M, Tkachuk 9M, Gaudreau 10M, and Kylington 4.5M (all estimates, I think they're fairly reasonable)

You then have a team with 9 F, 5D and 2 G. And it's 325k over the cap.
Fill in the spaces with cheap players (Mackey, Duehr, Pelletier, Ruzicka, etc.) all making less than a million.
That team is about 5.5M over the cap.
So theoretically trading away Lucic and taking no cap in return (and replacing him with a prospect) you're then just over 1M over the cap.

I think Mangiapane comes in at closer to Lindolm's cap hit of around 5 million per at around 6 years, (hoping)- based on RFA status and team cap dynamic.

 

[iginlafan77]

I think Mangiapane comes in at closer to Lindolm's cap hit of around 5 million per at around 6 years, (hoping)- based on RFA status and team cap dynamic.

I hope you're right.
Realistically, it probably depends on just how much his goal scoring slows down.
I don't think anyone is expecting him to keep shooting 30% or to stay on pace for 60 goals.
But if he gets to 40, plus his fantastic underlying stats, I can see him getting paid

 

[Ace Rimmer]

If Mangiapane scores 30+ I fully expect arbitration to dictate his next contract.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Call up Pelletier, Gawdin/Ruzicka, Phillips

Trade Monahan + 1st + Kuz/Sergeev
for Hertl

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Pelletier-Backlund-Mangiapane
Hertl-Dube-Coleman
Lucic-Gawdin/Ruzicka-Phillips

The thing that amazes me about Sutter is that he underestimates his own ability to make players excel. He chooses plugs he knows instead of using his incredible teaching ability on more talented players with higher potentials.

 

[Some Other Flame]

Kylington is 100% getting a bridge. Depending on how the rest of the season goes, he'll get somewhere between 3 and 4M on a two or three year deal. Mangiapane's probably getting a bridge too or going with arbitration for a one year deal. But either way, their cap hits are going to be a lot smaller then people are expecting right now.

It's all too much too soon and shortened covid seasons have made things harder to evaluate so expect Treliving to push the longterm deals down the road, unless the players are inexplicably willing to sign very team friendly deals.

Regardless, both Lucic and Monahan have to go with minimal salary coming back to make the cap work. If not, one of Tkachuk or Gaudreau will have to go. And it would be peak Flames to watch Gaudreau walk in free agency and getting stuck with Monahan and Lucic on the final year of their contracts because they wouldn't waive.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Call up Pelletier, Gawdin/Ruzicka, Phillips

Trade Monahan + 1st + Kuz/Sergeev
for Hertl

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Pelletier-Backlund-Mangiapane
Hertl-Dube-Coleman
Lucic-Gawdin/Ruzicka-Phillips

The thing that amazes me about Sutter is that he underestimates his own ability to make players excel. He chooses plugs he knows instead of using his incredible teaching ability on more talented players with higher potentials.

If that's all it took for Hertl I think it would be done, but depends how you view Monahan I guess. Also feels weird to trade for Hertl for the third line.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Call up Pelletier, Gawdin/Ruzicka, Phillips

Trade Monahan + 1st + Kuz/Sergeev
for Hertl

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Pelletier-Backlund-Mangiapane
Hertl-Dube-Coleman
Lucic-Gawdin/Ruzicka-Phillips

The thing that amazes me about Sutter is that he underestimates his own ability to make players excel. He chooses plugs he knows instead of using his incredible teaching ability on more talented players with higher potentials.

I'd keep our first. Players Washington drafted with their firsts in "good" years:

Carlson
Kuznetsov
Vrana
Samsonov
Burakovsky
Johanssen

stay long term oriented especially with Johnny a potenfial UFA walk

 

[Bounces R Way]

Don't really see any way we can keep all of Monahan, Tkachuk, and Gaudreau past this season. Even two would be a bit of a stretch. Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out but this team may look very different next year.

 

[super6646]

Don't really see any way we can keep all of Monahan, Tkachuk, and Gaudreau past this season. Even two would be a bit of a stretch. Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out but this team may look very different next year.

One doesn't fit with the others in this regard lol.

 

[TheHudlinator]

Don't really see any way we can keep all of Monahan, Tkachuk, and Gaudreau past this season. Even two would be a bit of a stretch. Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out but this team may look very different next year.

With Ottawa needing a center it seems like a slam dunk to swap Monahan and Brown.

 

[Deen]

Bread Man Forever.... Eichel Never.