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We were talkin about how we are going to get Shattenkirk, Yandle, or Byfuglien. And Vatanen. And Stamkos.
Think that covers it.
I've become less interested in a Nyquist for Vatanen swap.
I would be in favor of a Nyquist + a bunch of stuff swap for Shattenkirk, though. I'm also cool with trying to snag a free agent D this summer.
I wouldn't mind Shattenkirk, its just I would be afraid of giving away Nyquist and Shatty decides not to re-sign.
Shattenkirk still has another year on his contract. And honestly most players that come here seem to be more than willing to resign. I wouldn't worry too much.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-ducks-a-logical-fit-for-lightnings-drouin/12. So, why does Detroit GM Ken Holland say the Red Wings are stuck with a $66M cap?
I assumed it was to hedge against bonuses that could be attained by Dylan Larkin or Brad Richards, but that is incorrect. It has everything to do with when Pavel Datsyuk was put on long-term injury relief.
CBA nerds can check Article 50.10 (d) of the document, and look for illustration number 4. The best way to utilize LTIR before the season begins is loaning bodies to the AHL so you get below the cap prior to invoking the relief. Detroit couldn’t do it.
There were guys eligible for waivers they didn’t want to risk losing. Then you try to stack the roster with as much salary as you can to utilize all of the injured player’s money. (For Datsyuk, that’s $7.5M.) Therefore, Detroit’s trying to get to the cap, plus Datsyuk’s value, so we’re talking $79M.
Their extra players didn’t make that much, and there was no sensible add. Since neither approach worked, the Red Wings lose out on what they missed by. That’s approximately $4.5M. Suffice it to say there’s a dartboard of whoever came up with this rule in Joe Louis Arena.
Another thing about trying to get Shattenkirk is STL wants a 1C which is something we wont provide.
I wouldn't mind Shattenkirk, its just I would be afraid of giving away Nyquist and Shatty decides not to re-sign.
Blues fans seemed comfortable with a deal around Tatar/Nyquist, Sproul, Svechnikov, and a 2nd. You can scream overpayment all you want, but I would do that deal in a heart beat. And he'd probably re-sign.
That's the word that scares me though.
He'd be our best defenseman by a country mile and would elevate us to probably being the 2nd best team in the east definitively. Getting all those minutes, opportunities, and being THE guy in a destination city. I don't see why re-signing him would be difficult. But certainly there's always that risk.
Detroit is a destination city, now?
3. Here’s what I understand Lightning GM Steve Yzerman is looking for: a young player who is under team control for some time. He has enough contractual concerns over the next few years that he doesn’t need any more.
He can’t take on money without sending it back. (Some other execs speculated he might try to package Matt Carle with Drouin.) That’s why, as good as Kevin Shattenkirk is, it’s not an easy fit for Tampa, because he’s going to get paid big-time in 2017 and you can’t extend him until July 1 at the earliest, assuming he is even willing to sign.
Among the needs are a right-shot defenceman or a forward with some edge, which is why Robby Fabbri’s name is out there. At AHL San Diego, Anaheim has the league’s number two scorer among defencemen and rookies, Brandon Montour, a right-hand shot. The Ducks could also consider Nick Ritchie. On paper, either move makes sense. In practice, who knows?
None of us have any way of knowing whether he would re-sign here.
I think the most realistic option for the Wings is Vatanen as I think everyone else will either cost too much in FA or will take more assets than Kenny would like to give up for a rental.
Here's my proposal.
Vatanen
Cogliano
Nyquist
Quincey/Smith/XO
Jurco
I can only imagine a line of
AA-Helm-Cogliano
If we don't re-sign Helm, Cogliano is his replacement and AA would replace Nyquist.
This is from 30 thoughts
So three way trade:
Tampa:
Martha/Svechnikov + Marchenko
STL:
Drouin + Quincey (+ Det 1st if Drouin alone isn't enough)
Det:
Shattenkirk
That work cap wise? Not sure. Just spitballing.
I imagine Tampa would like more value and I don't know why St. Louis would do that as they want to get better now.