Confirmed Trade: [ARI/EDM] Henrik Samuelsson for Mitch Moroz

[Paradise*]

1.) Neither is an NHL player.

2.) That Oil Can franchise is crap at producing NHL talent

 

[rt]

Is Moroz a good enough fighter to make it as an enforcer?

 

[hototogisu]

Probably bust for bust. I like Samuelsson more than Moroz but the odds are pretty slim for them turning into anything. And if Moroz does it's a 4th line facepuncher.

Never understood the pick at the time though. An all-time headscratcher.

 

[leaflover]

I like that trade for both team. At least one of them could benefit of this

For sure, and players, who get a fresh start.

 

[Aceboogie]

Is Moroz a good enough fighter to make it as an enforcer?

I would say no. He fought in junior but against not as good of fighters. More heat of the moment fights. If you watch his AHL fights they are... less than impressive. He was never noted as a enforcer down the in the AHL, at least not your traditional ones. He was a grinder who fought when needed and played physical. But was never one to jump over the boards to fight the other teams tough guy

 

[hbk]

He probably wasn't going to be claimed either though, to be fair...

True. Two years ago after his first Season in the A I would have said he would be part of the protected list. This year it's not even a consideration. Got passed on RW depth chart by the likes of Fischer with Merkley set to join Roadrunners next year. Has talent. The injury was unfortunate. Hopefully he can get his career back on track.

 

[VanJack]

1.) Neither is an NHL player.

2.) That Oil Can franchise is crap at producing NHL talent

Yes, what is it about the Oil Kings?.....Lazar looks to be busting hard; Reinhart was a disastrous pickup for the Oilers...Samuelsson was a former first-rounder, believe it or not....what gives?

 

[PG Canuck]

Yes, what is it about the Oil Kings?.....Lazar looks to be busting hard; Reinhart was a disastrous pickup for the Oilers...Samuelsson was a former first-rounder, believe it or not....what gives?

Likely has nothing to do with the Oil Kings. More likely its a combination of those players just getting by at the WHL-level with their skill/size, then hitting a wall when facing stronger opposition and players and/or the NHL teams not developing them properly. Exactly what we are witnessing with Jake Virtanen.

 

[jebs]

Pysyk is doing alright as a NHLer no?

 

[McLotto 97]

Steal for Bakersfield

Fixed it for you

 

[KarmaPolice]

Pretty much a nothing trade; just career AHLers changing teams. Moroz was never going to pan out for us, so I guess we take the extreme long-shot that PERHAPS Samuelsson gets his career back on track, and might make it as a 4th liner. Like I said, it's an extreme long shot (like 1%), but better than no shot, which is pretty much what Moroz is. Don't see why ARI does this. Guess maybe both teams felt those guys needed new starts.

Moroz is a perfect example of how atrocious a lot of our drafting was back then. It was a complete head-scratcher even back then that he was taken 32nd. Even 132nd would've been taking him too high. Was such a waste of a fairly high pick. God our team was run by such a bunch of idiots then (Lowe, MacT, Tambellini, StuMac, etc.). Thank god the drafting has gotten much better the last 2-3 seasons -- especially since Chia came aboard. It's still a bit early to say for sure, but at least many of the picks (especially after the 1st round) look to be tracking quite good and don't boggle the mind, like so many were prior to him coming aboard.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Is Moroz a good enough fighter to make it as an enforcer?

No, he would get absolutely crushed by even most guys who aren't even remotely thought of as enforcers, but are big and strong on their skates. He would just be an epic embarrassment for your team if he tried to be your enforcer. It would be ugly.

 

[rt]

No, he would get absolutely crushed by even most guys who aren't even remotely thought of as enforcers, but are big and strong on their skates. He would just be an epic embarrassment for your team if he tried to be your enforcer. It would be ugly.

Alright so he'll be a career minor leaguer/Euro league then. Thanks!

 

[KingsHockey24]

I remember watching a Kings/Coyotes preseason game and being quite impressed with Henrik Samuelsson.

No clue who Mitchell Moroz is.

 

[EXTRAS]

It's a shame he had that ankle injury. He was going close to point per game over the last half of his rookie AHL season a couple years back. He could have actually been a decent player. A big talented mean player. After the injury his production was devastated. I hope one day he can find a way to properly rehab it.

 

[El Diego]

Is this like when you trade a 63 rating player for a 64 rating player, then for a 65 rating player etc. all the way up to a 90 rating guy?

 

[Homesick]

Steal for Edmonton

lol how so? drafted the same year, 5 spots apart and both equally suck in the AHL.
Its a swap of prospects that each franchise has given up on

 

[Mr Positive]

lol how so? drafted the same year, 5 spots apart and both equally suck in the AHL.
Its a swap of prospects that each franchise has given up on

Samuelsson was a bit of a draft steal. Moroz went where he was supposed to (and maybe I'm being generous to Mitch there)

Moroz is also a disappointment by his own play. Samuelsson was stalled by injury (although might have some issues as well).

 

[iCanada]

Kind of ironic it was an ankle injury. My played played against him at the Quebec Pee Wee tourney. Samuelsson was booted from the game for stomping on a fallen players ankle with his skate. Dirty player.....

I mean, yeah he's a dirty player.

As an Oil Kings Season ticket holder, i think the Oilers won this trade based on potential. I assume Arizona traded Samuelsson as a favour for him, as even as a long shot vs long shot I take Henrik every day of the week.

I like Moroz as a person, and I'm sure he's mighty disappointed by the trade, but I don't think he has a chance at being an impact NHL player. I have liked Moroz for a long long time, but MacT picking him at 32 was a complete joke. Thought so at the time as well. At the time he was a 3rd line goon in the dub.

After the injuries though, seems like Moroz is a better AHL player today though. Low impact trade all things considered.

 

[zar]

Do you really think steal is the correct word to describe this trade.

Steal was a semi-appropriate word... Edmonton wasn't.

Steal for Bakersfield.

Both players will be career AHL players. That is being very kind to Moroz.

Edit: LOL, I see I was late to the party... McLotto97 already beat me to the "Bakersfield" comment.

 

[iCanada]

Samuelsson was a bit of a draft steal. Moroz went where he was supposed to (and maybe I'm being generous to Mitch there)

Moroz is also a disappointment by his own play. Samuelsson was stalled by injury (although might have some issues as well).

Nah, Henrik was picked where he belonged, Moroz was off the board.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-draft-top30-prospects/
http://thehockeywriters.com/final-top-60-nhl-prospect-rankings-for-2012-draft/
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2012/s/
http://www.coppernblue.com/2012/4/18/2955582/2012-nhl-draft-top-100-april-update
http://nhlnumbers.com/2012/5/16/2012-nhl-draft-top-100-may-update


I could go on. Moroz not listed as a top 100 in most, earliest pick I can find him at is 101st. Henrik ranged from 25 to 38 in ranking. Lots really like Henrik, a few guys thought he was too slow. As an EOK season ticket holder from 11-15, Moroz was honestly 1/3rd the player of Henrik, and much much slower.

 

[caley]

Never understood the pick at the time though. An all-time headscratcher.

It was when the Oilers were bound and determined that they were going to draft themselves a CHL guy with size and grit and hope that he becomes Milan Lucic II (Ryan Martindale and Drew Czerwonka in 2010; Cam Abney in 2009; Trading 2011 pick Tobias Rieder for Kale Kessy; John McCarron in 2012). Then they just went "Hey, why don't we just sign the real thing?!"

 

[thadd]

Moroz will never be an NHL player. There's no way Arizona rolls the dice and gets anything good out of this.

In the unlikely event that Samuelsson learns to stay healthy for a few years Edmonton might win this trade and have an NHL player in their system, but it's likely that we've just picked up another Tyler Pitlick.

Minute Pitlick went pro he became more injury prone than Hemsky and Gaborik COMBINED.


So Arizona just picked up a 1992 Dodge Neon with 3,234,432 miles on it and they got a Pinto in return.

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

Is this like when you trade a 63 rating player for a 64 rating player, then for a 65 rating player etc. all the way up to a 90 rating guy?

Yeah next summer they'll flip him for Lazar then Lazar for Jarry.

 

[Riptide]

I have personally never seen Moroz as an NHLer, so Ill take my chances with Samuellson.

I agree with you there. I also think that Samuellson as a center is probably more valuable to Edmonton - especially if he makes it.