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4th line. AA sent down to GR to build confidence and Ott in the pressbox.Where does Sheahan go?
4th line. AA sent down to GR to build confidence and Ott in the pressbox.Where does Sheahan go?
I agree with much of what you're saying, and your overall theme. I do.Right, but this is the endless repetition.
-Claim prospect is good and requires IT.
-Prospect comes up and is not good.
-Blame lots of stuff besides the prospect for not being good.
-Waste time arguing about unprovable what ifs.
Literally nothing Detroit demands of their players is something a good player should have a problem doing. 'Hey, fella, backcheck' should not be a command that renders a young player into a pile of unresponsive gelatinous goo. If it does, we're not talking about a good player. Nobody is demanding Mantha become an elite shutdown forward, or Smith to become Scott Bleeping Neidermayer circa Norris career. They are being asked to be vaguely competent defensively. If they cannot struggle over that low bar in order to merit NHL time, really, what are people complaining about?
Also, it's not a coaches job to elevate a player at the expense of the teams system. This isn't some progressive elementary school where little Johnny learns best by eating M and M's in the corner so we mustn't interfere. It's a collaborative effort. So, sure, maybe it might have been some small degree more individually beneficial for Brendan Smith to be given utterly free rein to roam about the ice untethered by thought or responsibility, but making Brendan Smith 9% more effective or fulfilled as a hockey player isn't the point.
4th line. AA sent down to GR to build confidence and Ott in the pressbox.
Kind of yes. Sheahan should be put on 4th and Mantha takes net-front role at some line. I donöt think he is a good fit with Zetterberg because of lack of speed.
But maybe:
Zeta - Larkin - Akader
Mantha - Nielsen - Tatar
Vanek - Helm - Nyquist
That would be interesting.
Not a fan of your 2nd line. Take Mantha off and put Vanek or Nyquist there. Or even Sheahan
Why?
Mantha = net-front/sniper
Tatar = sniper/grinder
Nielsen = playmaker/grinder
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Zeta = playmaker
Larkin = sniper/grinder
Abdelkader = net-front/grinder
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Vanek = net-front/grinder
Helm = grinder/sniper
Nyquist = playmaker/sniper(if he would shoot more!)
Nice mix in every line. Every one of TOP3 lines will need playmaker skill, some grinder/net-front skill and some goal-scoring skill. I see them as some kind of good mix. Not ideal, but there.
I really can't see it. That puts one of Buff/Myers/Hamonic on the 3rd pair. None of those guys are going to want that role.
This might be unpopular in Winny, but the guy they should unload is Buff. They aren't close to contending, he's 31, and he's unlikely to be the same impact D when they are ready to seriously contend. Deal him, bump Myers and Trouba up, everyone's happy.
Vanek or Sheahan would be a better "net front" than Mantha. I don't like Tatar as a grinder. Lol Zetterberg is better along the boards.
I'm just saying that, with Smith specifically, if you draft a guy known for his offense, but you now find yourself running a system that, frankly, plays possum to try and hide your lack of talent on offense, then objectively speaking, that's not the best fit for that player.
maybe they should have traded him while he still had at least a little value, instead of continuing down this "bang head against wall and hope for different results" road with him.
This might be unpopular in Winny, but the guy they should unload is Buff. They aren't close to contending, he's 31, and he's unlikely to be the same impact D when they are ready to seriously contend. Deal him, bump Myers and Trouba up, everyone's happy.
Except the team is worse, and Winnipeg wants to make the playoffs.
except they're not doing that right now, either.
I really like both Mantha or AA and currently that isn't the ask out of Winnipeg, but I would be willing to deal either guy for Trouba in a heartbeat.
Well, sure. The problem is Winnipeg would laugh at a trade offer where AA or Mantha are the centerpieces.
Because they need a LHD
You trade Trouba because he doesn't want to play there. I seriously don't believe that it is a role thing. He just doesn't want to play there.
Buff and Wheeler aren't guys they are going to move on from anytime soon. They are guys that were totally willing to sign their future to that area.
That is really the hold up with the Trouba situation. More than most cities they cannot have a guy bully his way out.
I really like both Mantha or AA and currently that isn't the ask out of Winnipeg, but I would be willing to deal either guy for Trouba in a heartbeat.
And Detroit is, if we're drawing conclusions after 10 days. Are we?
Seems like they need a lot of things right now. Norris-to-be Tyler Myers is stinking the joint up. Bet you they'd rather trade him and move Trouba in his spot. Too late for that now, I guess. Actually, that defense is pretty poor all around. They also have too many young players in their top 6 that are being counted on to score.
Well, sure. The problem is Winnipeg would laugh at a trade offer where AA or Mantha are the centerpieces.
First off i seriously doubt that any one here, Is suggesting that either Mantha or AA would be the main pieces going to Winnipeg.
They would be included more then likely with Danny DeKeyser and maybe a 2nd round pick.
Winnipeg doesn't need wingers the only piece that Detroit has that Cheveldayoff would even consider for Trouba is Larkin and that's definitely not happening.
has Winny finished four of the past five years?
"I really like both Mantha or AA and currently that isn't the ask out of Winnipeg, but I would be willing to deal either guy for Trouba in a heartbeat."
... which now makes it a trade WE should laugh at.
How about Mrazek?