Confirmed with Link: Alex Burmistrov staying in Russia next season

[gbill2004*]

@WiebeSunSports: Yuri Nikolaev, the Russian agent for Alex Burmistrov, said via e-mail his client will remain with Ak Bars Kazan of #KHL next season #NHLJets

@WiebeSunSports: Nikolaev did leave the door open for a possible return to #NHL after Alex Burmistrov honours 2nd year of his contract w/Ak Bars #NHLJets

https://twitter.com/WiebeSunSports/status/472499171623059456

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[jetkarma*]

Well my 25% chance just bottomed out .

Not surprising of course and likely another note to the sad legacy of the Thrashers.

 

[garret9]

From what I heard from few sources:
1) Jets were interested, gave offer
2) Ak Bars countered
3) Jets couldn't compete with offer

 

[wpgsilver]

I still put it at 10% he's in the NHL this upcoming year.

 

[Koonta]

I bet Ollie told him at the WHC he was going to resign with Winnipeg so you may have your gold medal but you won't take my 3rd line C position in Winnipeg

Oh well, poopy news but we'll see what else happens this offseason

 

[jetkarma*]

Not that it is wrong to base the choice on dollars , but it does indicate the passion or lack there of he has for the NHL imo.

The risk of taking Russian players , it simply is what it is.

Again , he should make whatever choice is right for him or do what he wants , but once bitten twice shy.

 

[larmex99]

From what I heard from few sources:
1) Jets were interested, gave offer
2) Ak Bars countered
3) Jets couldn't compete with offer

I think the correct word for their interest would be wouldn't rather than couldn't compete.

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

pretty disappointing..at least we still have his rights for another year..do we?

 

[garret9]

I think the correct word for their interest would be wouldn't rather than couldn't compete.

I used couldn't intentionally.

We are a team on an internal budget.

 

[garret9]

Not that it is wrong to base the choice on dollars , but it does indicate the passion or lack there of he has for the NHL imo.

The risk of taking Russian players , it simply is what it is.

Again , he should make whatever choice is right for him or do what he wants , but once bitten twice shy.

I agree in risk, but I view the risk not being passion but rather not having a monopoly on the player. Especially since he was open to coming back and did indeed discuss with team representatives (well his representatives did, not Burmi).

It's a risk in Russians that you are not the only bidder.

 

[jetsforever]

That's a shame, liked Burmi...
Do we retain his rights still after next season?

 

[garret9]

That's a shame, liked Burmi...
Do we retain his rights still after next season?

Yes.

 

[jetkarma*]

I used couldn't intentionally.

We are a team on an internal budget.

Budget is fluid , prudent use of that is what is being done and expected imo .

 

[garret9]

Budget is fluid , prudent use of that is what is being done and expected imo .

I've heard that it's not that flexible.
There's a bit of fluidity where they can spend one year if they think they got a chance of going deep, but that also has consequences.

 

[jetkarma*]

I agree in risk, but I view the risk not being passion but rather not having a monopoly on the player. Especially since he was open to coming back and did indeed discuss with team representatives (well his representatives did, not Burmi).

It's a risk in Russians that you are not the only bidder.

Yes but also a risk IF the player you pick doesn't have a passion for the NHL , makes it much easier to leave if you aren't getting exactly what you want.

Again , it wasn't his fault he was picked at 8 , and not his fault selecting the more lucrative option , and we shouldn't blame him , I am not . I am saying it has been a terrible pick though , and yes it is hindsight , but those that still defend the pick /him should say the value for the asset never has been realized. IMO.

 

[garret9]

Yes but also a risk IF the player you pick doesn't have a passion for the NHL , makes it much easier to leave if you aren't getting exactly what you want.

Again , it wasn't his fault he was picked at 8 , and not his fault selecting the more lucrative option , and we shouldn't blame him , I am not . I am saying it has been a terrible pick though , and yes it is hindsight , but those that still defend the pick /him should say the value for the asset never has been realized. IMO.

42% chance that a 6-10 pick reaches top 6 quality forward (or top 4 d).

Not sure about that.

 

[King Woodballs]

Best news I heard all day.

 

[wpgsilver]

Based on what Garret is saying I think its fair to say that Burmi is getting a big raise in the KHL. With a number of free agents we have this year I would imagine that if his deal puts us above or close to our budget its a sizable number.

Best news I heard all day.

Yeah I totally hate when my favourite team gets (at worst) a trade chip.

:

 

[jetkarma*]

I've heard that it's not that flexible.
There's a bit of fluidity where they can spend one year if they think they got a chance of going deep, but that also has consequences.

Consequences? In what way?


Understood Burmistrov would want a 5 million a yr offer , but that is not prudent , and of course overpayment to the extreme . He chose to take a higher offer than a realistic fair one and not playing in the NHL matters little if at all to him .

Hindsight yes , but terrible use of a premium asset and at best below mediocre return .

 

[jetkarma*]

42% chance that a 6-10 pick reaches top 6 quality forward (or top 4 d).

Not sure about that.

So it will be at least two years and most likely all subsequent years , he will be a bust as an NHL player , as he isn't one. That makes it a terrible decision in hindsight.

Plus those odds take in all teams , do you have stats for the top tier drafting teams?

 

[garret9]

Consequences? In what way?


Understood Burmistrov would want a 5 million a yr offer , but that is not prudent , and of course overpayment to the extreme . He chose to take a higher offer than a realistic fair one and not playing in the NHL matters little if at all to him .

Hindsight yes , but terrible use of a premium asset and at best below mediocre return .

You can't use hindsight to judge usage of an asset. That's using information not known as certainty at the time. There was always risk that Burmi would go to KHL. There was also 68% chance any pick there wouldn't amount to a top6 player.

We can't even 100% judge the return as well as there is always next year. (although I've always been doubtful Burmistrov would return)

 

[garret9]

So it will be at least two years and most likely all subsequent years , he will be a bust as an NHL player , as he isn't one. That makes it a terrible decision in hindsight.

Plus those odds take in all teams , do you have stats for the top tier drafting teams?

Top tier seems to roll like the waves. It's mostly (not wholly) luck that separates team's draft record from the mean rather than talent in scouting.

 

[Sweech]

Womp womp.

I was optimistic he could come back and solidify the 3rd C position.

 

[surixon]

Well at least his decision was made early. It allows the Jets the time to move on and look at other options. Would have liked to see him back in the bottom 6 but there are other options out there.

 

[jetkarma*]

You can't use hindsight to judge usage of an asset. That's using information not known as certainty at the time. There was always risk that Burmi would go to KHL. There was also 68% chance any pick there wouldn't amount to a top6 player.

We can't even 100% judge the return as well as there is always next year. (although I've always been doubtful Burmistrov would return)

You always can use hindsight to judge use of an asset .

You evaluate it , which is what is being done currently.

IF he returns and becomes say a T J Oshie for the next 8 years , can you use hindsight to evaluate the use of the asset then?

So you factor in the flight risk , paired with the players character and maturity and passion or lack thereof for the NHL , you still use the pick for him? Think that the Jets have not factored those elements in their picks? I know they have.

Good on him for having and taking a lucrative offer , nothing wrong for doing that , but as it stands that anyone can say it has not been a bad choice is truly beyond me.

He won't provide ANY value for at least two prime years , and may not ever again play in the NHL , and that is not even weighing what his value was when he was here . Even if he was as good as some trumpet , it doesn't overide the fact he is not helping this franchise one iota now or in the near ( if ever ) future.