OK, let's take it over here, where critical discussion of the all-time greats is the norm and not the exception:
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No there are plenty of holes. You are providing very one dimensional data and throwing a blanket statement out there applying it to all goalies. Again of course PP shots are harder and I would like to know each goalies save % on the Power Play.
So do I, but prior to 2000, we will never know. But they all have lower sv% versus the PP than they do at ES, and that is what matters. Face more PPs, you will face more high quality shots.
How many shots they face per Power Play.
Over time, relatively the same. If there was a way to determine this, which there isn't, I doubt you would see more than a 10% discrepancy. Whatever shtos they do face, though, are more difficult and detrimental to sv%.
How long the opposing teams are on the Power Play.
Again, over time, relatively the same. We will never have this data. Not all PPs are created equal, but if you contend that one team frequently killed off 5 minute PPs and another was frequently scored on in 10 seconds and it created a massive statistical edge, I disagree. These things wash out in the long term. Each PP, over time, will roughly be the same average length. Using PPOA is the best way to approximate the percentae of shots a goalie faced on the PP, and is more than reasonable.
What rank were the special teams for each goaltender.
This is useful to determine how good the team was at killing the penalties, but unlike most team stats, this is quite dependent on the goalie too, so it wouldn't tell you a lot. The goalie, after all, is the only one who plays all two minutes of every PP. As it relates to Brodeur, how good or bad he and New Jersey are at penalty killing is irrelevant compared to the fact that
they are both much more vulnerable to have goals scored on them in this situation than otherwise.
This is all information pertinent to the discussion at hand. If you fail to see that then we are speaking different languages. You're just going to look and be concerned with save % and thats fine but I'm not happy with inconclusive and incomplete data. I don't see a correlation between Nabokov's save % and the amount of Power Plays he faced nor do I see one with Hasek. I am also sure there are other examples like this. Therefor I don't think necessarily facing more PP shots causes a goaltender to have a lower save %. If you take all the bad teams out there that have horrible penalty killing (such as the expansion teams in the 90's) the stats will certainly be skewed. Hasek never had a horrible penalty killing squad. Buffalo was a defensive minded team (not to the extent of NJ) but he was never on a lesser team like Ottawa or Tampa Bay.
You don't see a connection? Fine, then show me all the goalies who have had a better sv% versus the PP compared to at ES over a season. you can't.
Take a look at last season. I can't post a link that will work, but go to nhl.com, stats, players, 2008-09, regular season, all teams, goalies, all, all, special teams.
The only goalie who even comes close to his ES sv% on the PP is Backstrom (.918 vs. .923). Only two more goalies with 40 GP were within 10 points - Lundqvist (.913 vs. .920) and Kiprusoff (.898 vs. .907). Almost every other goalie had at least a 20 point difference, some as high as 40.
To look at Brodeur in particular: He had an excellent ES sv% of .933, but not so hot on the PK (.848) - naturally time spent (shots faced that is, but same thing) on the PK lowers his save% and it came out at .916. He faced 21% of those shots on the PP. If he maintained those same situational percentages and faced even 25% of those shots on the PP, his sv% would be .912. If New Jersey had been even more disciplined and he faced just 15% of those shots on the PP, his sv% would be .920. It has a major impact and none of your "questions" change that it does.
I can say that Brodeur is a more disciplined goalie than Hasek and Roy so he has very very very little to do with the Devils taking fewer penalties. But yes you can say he does have an effect. It does matter how hard or easy his power play shots are. This is the problem with save % in general. His intangibles are magnified when the Devils are on the Penalty Kill and will skew his save % accordingly. The fact is the Devils have had an easier time on the Penalty Kill with Brodeur in net than they would have with Hasek or Roy. Boy that was easy. I think if you dig deeper there will be telling differences with having Brodeur in net on the PP instead of a lesser puck-handling, rebound controlling goaltender. Why would this information not be important? Again we won't be able to quantify his effect without the factors I'm interested in.
Any impact a goalie has on his team not taking penalties would be statistically insignificant. The Devils
helped Brodeur by not taking penalties. This is indisputable and you're wasting a lot of time disputing it.