mzon
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For those who think a hard cap will not allow teams to keep thier star players:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1949512
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1949512
you can't compare the nfl to the nhlMR. X said:For those who think a hard cap will not allow teams to keep thier star players:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1949512
Son of Steinbrenner said:you can't compare the nfl to the nhl
Son of Steinbrenner said:you can't compare the nfl to the nhl
Son of Steinbrenner said:you can't compare the nfl to the nhl
CarlRacki said:I hear this all the time but have yet to hear one person explain why.
And please don't say "because the NFL cap is bigger". The size of the cap has nothing to do with whether or not a cap can work, it's merely a reflection of league revenues. If the NHL had NFL-size revenues, then they could have an NFL-size cap and give its players NFL-size contracts.
The problem with the PA, I believe, is that they want salaries comparable to those of the other major sports despite the fact their revenues fall far short of those leagues' revenues. Thus, the NHLPA's absolute insistence not to have payrolls tied to revenues.
PepNCheese said:I can't believe all the people that still make this argument now.
The NFL is absolutely nothing like the NHL for the purposes of this argument, because the NFL has significant revenue sharing and a TV deal that basically covers the payroll.
How many times does this have to be repeated to people???
YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE NFL CAP TO THE NHL'S PROPOSED CAP. THEY ARE NOTHING ALIKE.
Earlier this year, Manning signed a seven-year, $98 million deal that included a $34 million signing bonus.
To add to your comments, NFL contracts arent garanteed so its easy to get rid of star players.PepNCheese said:I can't believe all the people that still make this argument now.
The NFL is absolutely nothing like the NHL for the purposes of this argument, because the NFL has significant revenue sharing and a TV deal that basically covers the payroll.
How many times does this have to be repeated to people???
YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE NFL CAP TO THE NHL'S PROPOSED CAP. THEY ARE NOTHING ALIKE.
PepNCheese said:One more thing, if you think Bettman is going to allow NHL teams to circumvent the cap with huge signing bonuses as they do in the NFL, you're kidding yourselves.
I trust you can understand the implications of those numbers.
PepNCheese said:One more thing, if you think Bettman is going to allow NHL teams to circumvent the cap with huge signing bonuses as they do in the NFL, you're kidding yourselves.
I trust you can understand the implications of those numbers.
Hockeyfan02 said:You can keep your star players in a cap, but it doesnt leave you much room to keep some of the other role players. You use the Colts as an example for keeping star players, but by keeping the star players on offense they dont have any room to keep key guys on defense. They pour all their money on offense, but dont have a very good defense. There are other teams in the league that have a lot of money spent on defense, but dont have a lot of money on offense. The cap is just going to have teams keep their core guys, but might have to let go a key guy on a 2nd line. But if a team knew how to work its budget , it could keep the core guys and replace the guys with equal replacements for less money (ex. Lightning walking away from Stillman's arbitration which many teams have the right to but dont and then acquring Prospal who may be a step down but costs less.)
And there are a few ways you cant compare the NFL cap to the NHL. A) NFL has a ton of revenue the NHL can only dream about. This revenue alone from the TV contracts covers the player salaries, NHL tv contract will not. B) NFL does not have guranteed contracts, NHL does and those certainly wont be taken away (as they shouldnt). And probably the main reason: The NFL cap is about competitive balance keeping the dynasties like the Cowboys of the 90s, 49ers of the 80s from hogging all the talent with an unlimited payroll. Granted that may be part of the NHL's reason, but the NHL's cap is for "cost certainty". The NFL's cap isnt based on "cost certainty" because they get a massive amount of revenue and none of the owners are losing money on their clubs like in the NHL. There are ways its a good comparison, but if you think they are similar youre mistaken.
CarlRacki said:3. The NFL cap is absolutely based on cost certainty. Otherwise, they wouldn't tie it strictly to a percentage of revenues. Competitiveness is a nice by-product of a capped system, but it's certainly not the primary reason for one.
The NFL salary cap is based on a percentage of the income (called Defined Gross Revenue) that the NFL teams earn during a season. The DGR is based on ticket sales, merchandise sales, and broadcasts. There's no reason why the NHL and NHLPA couldn't negotiate a similar formula. And the fact that there's less TV income simply means that there's a smaller pie to divide.PepNCheese said:I can't believe all the people that still make this argument now.
The NFL is absolutely nothing like the NHL for the purposes of this argument, because the NFL has significant revenue sharing and a TV deal that basically covers the payroll...
misterjaggers said:The NFL salary cap is based on a percentage of the income (called Defined Gross Revenue) that the NFL teams earn during a season. The DGR is based on ticket sales, merchandise sales, and broadcasts. There's no reason why the NHL and NHLPA couldn't negotiate a similar formula. And the fact that there's less TV income simply means that there's a smaller pie to divide.
PepNCheese said:The NHL owners don't want meaningful revenue sharing. There is extensive revenue sharing in the NFL.
You simply cannot ignore this critical difference.
mooseOAK said:The NFL negotiated that huge TV contract so they made the decision to share the money from it. Had that not been there the NFL owners would have been just as unwilling to share their revenue as their NHL counterparts.
misterjaggers said:The NFL salary cap is based on a percentage of the income (called Defined Gross Revenue) that the NFL teams earn during a season. The DGR is based on ticket sales, merchandise sales, and broadcasts. There's no reason why the NHL and NHLPA couldn't negotiate a similar formula. And the fact that there's less TV income simply means that there's a smaller pie to divide.
MR. X said:For those who think a hard cap will not allow teams to keep thier star players:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1949512
misterjaggers said:The NFL salary cap is based on a percentage of the income (called Defined Gross Revenue) that the NFL teams earn during a season. The DGR is based on ticket sales, merchandise sales, and broadcasts. There's no reason why the NHL and NHLPA couldn't negotiate a similar formula. And the fact that there's less TV income simply means that there's a smaller pie to divide.