Crosby 2006-07 | Forsberg 2002-03 | Best player/better season |
- Hart - Art Ross - Lindsay - 1st AST - PPG leader - 122 Ajusted points | - Hart - Art Ross - 1st AST - PPG leader - Assists leader - 118 adjusted points | Crosby |
Crosby 2013-14 | Forsberg 1998-99 | Best player/better season |
- Hart - Art Ross - Lindsay - 1st AST - PPG leader - Assists leader - 116 adjusted points | - 7th Hart voting - 1st AST - 4th points leader - 2nd assist leader - 110 adjusted points | Crosby |
Crosby 2009-10 | Forsberg 1995-96 | Best player/better season |
- Rocket Richard - 2nd AST - 3rd Hart voting - 2nd points leader - 117 Ajusted points | - 5th points leader - 4th assists leader - 112 adjusted points | Crosby |
Crosby 2012-13 | Forsberg 1997-98 | Best player/Better season |
- Lindsay - 1st AST - Hart Runner-up - PPG leader - 3rd points leader - 2nd assists leader - 106 adjusted points (..over 82 games??) | - 1st AST - 2nd points leader - 2nd assists leader - 8th Hart voting - 105 adjusted points | Crosby |
Crosby 2015-16 | Forsberg 1996-97 | Best player/Better season |
- 1st AST - Hart Runner-up - 3rd points leader - 96 adjusted points | - Selke Runner-up - 11th Hart voting - 89 adjusted points | Crosby |
Crosby 2008-09 | Forsberg 2000-01 | Best player/Better season |
- 3rd points leader - 2nd assists leader - 6th Hart voting - 106 adjusted points | - 11th Selke voting - 95 adjusted points | Crosby |
Forsberg didnt dive, flop and act like a baby so
Let’s hear your case
No, I don’t. There’s very clearly one right answer here from my perspective, as supported by stats and the greater consensus. I’d like those going against it to argue their case. Or, try to.That's a bit juvenile don't you think?
I agree with the last statement for sure. I’d refer you to this post, though:Forsberg had very similar production to Crosby in a much lower scoring era, so you could argue he was better att scoring points. Forsberg had a much more complete game too, with considerably better physicality, defense and work ethic. I don’t see how taking Forsberg is controversial at all, he is a top 20-10 player of all time.
Since Forsberg only had 6 « relatively healthy « seasons to Crosby’s 7 during that time frame, let’s compare both 6 best seasons (in those time frames) :
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Crosby 2006-07 Forsberg 2002-03 Best player/better season - Hart
- Art Ross
- Lindsay
- 1st AST
- PPG leader
- 122 Ajusted points- Hart
- Art Ross
- 1st AST
- PPG leader
- Assists leader
- 118 adjusted pointsCrosby [TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2013-14 Forsberg 1998-99 Best player/better season - Hart
- Art Ross
- Lindsay
- 1st AST
- PPG leader
- Assists leader
- 116 adjusted points- 7th Hart voting
- 1st AST
- 4th points leader
- 2nd assist leader
- 110 adjusted pointsCrosby [TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2009-10 Forsberg 1995-96 Best player/better season - Rocket Richard
- 2nd AST
- 3rd Hart voting
- 2nd points leader
- 117 Ajusted points- 5th points leader
- 4th assists leader
- 112 adjusted pointsCrosby [TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2012-13 Forsberg 1997-98 Best player/Better season - Lindsay
- 1st AST
- Hart Runner-up
- PPG leader
- 3rd points leader
- 2nd assists leader
- 106 adjusted points (..over 82 games??)- 1st AST
- 2nd points leader
- 2nd assists leader
- 8th Hart voting
- 105 adjusted pointsCrosby [TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2015-16 Forsberg 1996-97 Best player/Better season - 1st AST
- Hart Runner-up
- 3rd points leader
- 96 adjusted points- Selke Runner-up
- 11th Hart voting
- 89 adjusted pointsCrosby No need to compare their partial seasons, I think Crosby has the edge there too. After doing this exercice, I’m actually surprised that Crosby is 6-0 (!). I was expecting maybe one or two seasons where Forsberg would have a slight edge but total domination for Crosby[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Crosby 2008-09 Forsberg 2000-01 Best player/Better season - 3rd points leader
- 2nd assists leader
- 6th Hart voting
- 106 adjusted points- 11th Selke voting
- 95 adjusted pointsCrosby
That said, Crosby was clearly better during those respective time frames and it’s not even close.
In no reality is Forsberg a top 20 player of all time. Maybe top 50Forsberg had very similar production to Crosby in a much lower scoring era, so you could argue he was better att scoring points. Forsberg had a much more complete game too, with considerably better physicality, defense and work ethic. I don’t see how taking Forsberg is controversial at all, he is a top 20-10 player of all time.
I agree with the last statement for sure. I’d refer you to this post, though:
In no reality is Forsberg a top 20 player of all time. Maybe top 50
LemieuxGo ahead, name 20 better players then
Forsberg had very similar production to Crosby in a much lower scoring era, so you could argue he was better att scoring points. Forsberg had a much more complete game too, with considerably better physicality, defense and work ethic. I don’t see how taking Forsberg is controversial at all, he is a top 20-10 player of all time.
Lemieux
Crosby
Gretzky
Roy
Hasek
Orr
Howe
Ovechkin
Bourque
Lafleur
Mikita
Harvey
Lidstrom
Beliveau
Richard
Mcdavid
Messier
Bobby Hull
Bobby Clarke
Potvin
I could keep going
Ovechkin
Bourque
Lafleur
Mikita
Harvey
Lidstrom
Beliveau
Mcdavid
Messier
Bobby Clarke
Potvin
Are absolutely not better, not a chance. Here in Sweden, most hockey fans rate Forsberg considerably higher than Lidström, and it isn't much of a discussion.
I thought I did. Didn’t realize. That’s rather obvious regardlessSurprised you didn't also include Gretzky in your list.
TBH - you may as well have...
Crosby was the better scorer in every season, while on weaker teams?That says more about the players they were competing with, than it says about Forsberg and Crosby as actual players.
Surprised you didn't also include Gretzky in your list.
TBH - you may as well have...
Crosby was the better scorer in every season, while on weaker teams?
I thought I did. Didn’t realize. That’s rather obvious regardless
That is a massive overexagerration. I could see the argument for Lafleur, but argue any other one and I will say why I disagree.
No need for any of us to come in and care about a statement like that.Patiently waiting for the Ovechkin fanatics to respond to the statement that “Ovechkin is definitely not better than Forsberg.”