Music: 40 years of Metallica

beowulf

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It's a parody of the fact that they actually did sue their own fans over royalties.

Some of us were of an age at the time that you never forget or forgive that sort of thing. Metal band lawyering up and suing schoolkids, they can go get ****ed.
Oh for sure the whole Napster situation was a big deal, Lars likes his money, but this indeed is from a comedy troop and the way he posted it I think he thinks it is real...
 
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Oh for sure the whole Napster situation was a big deal, Lars likes his money, but this indeed is from a comedy troop and the way he posted it I think he thinks it is real...
I think some record execs got in Lars ear and being as excitable as he is he agreed to be the face of anti-file sharing without realizing the ramifications.

I think the same happened with Garth Brooks and the campaign against used CDs.
 
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I think some record execs got in Lars ear and being as excitable as he is he agreed to be the face of anti-file sharing without realizing the same ramifications.

I think the same happened with Garth Brooks and the campaign against used CDs.
I agree, It did change my mind about them a little though they did build up some good will with me and others in Montreal. I was a teenager at the 92 riot at the Big O where they left early after James' accident. Unlike like GnR, Metallica came back for 2 shows at the Forum to make it up and anyone that had their ticket stub from the Big O concert got a discount on their new ticket for the "makeup" shows.

For a number of years from late 80s when I was 12 to the mid 90s in college they were probably my favorite band. They have fallen since then on my list but still in the top 10.
 

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As a big Metallica fan (my favorite band growing up) I always thought the Napster situation was a little overblown. They found out the I Disappear demo leaked and they sued Napster over sharing an unfinished, unreleased song on their platform.

It didn't help that Lars is such a douche and probably the single worst person you could've made the face of the campaign against Napster.
 

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I agree, It did change my mind about them a little though they did build up some good will with me and others in Montreal. I was a teenager at the 92 riot at the Big O where they left early after James' accident. Unlike like GnR, Metallica came back for 2 shows at the Forum to make it up and anyone that had their ticket stub from the Big O concert got a discount on their new ticket for the "makeup" shows.

For a number of years from late 80s when I was 12 to the mid 90s in college they were probably my favorite band. They have fallen since then on my list but still in the top 10.
All Rose really showed his ass that night.
 

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As a big Metallica fan (my favorite band growing up) I always thought the Napster situation was a little overblown. They found out the I Disappear demo leaked and they sued Napster over sharing an unfinished, unreleased song on their platform.

It was more than that, though. They also sued several universities, purely as a way to intimidate the user base.

It's not like the universities were taking any active part in file sharing, they simply owned the infrastructure for internet access. But the effect of the lawsuits was that millions of students got a letter to the effect of "if we find out you're using Napster, you will be expelled". Mission accomplished.

Imagine being 18 years old, squarely in the demographic to be a long term Metallica fan, and already building that fandom by listening to their music online. And one day you find out that these guys are so pissed about the leak of a track they recorded for a ****ing Tom Cruise movie that have hired an army of corporate lawyers to lean on your school so that your entire future now hinges on never using Napster again. What impact does that have on your perception of that band's street cred?

In modern terms, that's like Taylor Swift trying to get Spotify shut down because she's pissed about a song that was supposed to be in a Hollister ad. If you want to be absolutely sure that an entire generation of your core demographic sees through your bullshit and considers you permanently radioactive, that's a great way to do it.
 

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It would be like Taylor Swift removing old albums from streaming platforms preventing her fans from listening unless they had purchased copies of the albums, which she did and she was praised for and when Spotify paid her more the albums went back up.

Even that isn't a great comparison because she was still getting royalties from Spotify before she pulled the albums. Napster never gave anything to the artists.
 

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It was more than that, though. They also sued several universities, purely as a way to intimidate the user base.

It's not like the universities were taking any active part in file sharing, they simply owned the infrastructure for internet access. But the effect of the lawsuits was that millions of students got a letter to the effect of "if we find out you're using Napster, you will be expelled". Mission accomplished.

Imagine being 18 years old, squarely in the demographic to be a long term Metallica fan, and already building that fandom by listening to their music online. And one day you find out that these guys are so pissed about the leak of a track they recorded for a ****ing Tom Cruise movie that have hired an army of corporate lawyers to lean on your school so that your entire future now hinges on never using Napster again. What impact does that have on your perception of that band's street cred?

In modern terms, that's like Taylor Swift trying to get Spotify shut down because she's pissed about a song that was supposed to be in a Hollister ad. If you want to be absolutely sure that an entire generation of your core demographic sees through your bullshit and considers you permanently radioactive, that's a great way to do it.
And you can't convince me Lars Ulrich had the mental wherewithal to understand the big picture on Napster. The RIAA was pissing against the tide trying to keep physical media going and I think some execs told Lars "They are stealing your music" and he became the talent's face of their fight.

It was disappointing to me that Some Kind of Monster missed any behind the scenes on how that went down.
 
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It would be like Taylor Swift removing old albums from streaming platforms preventing her fans from listening unless they had purchased copies of the albums, which she did and she was praised for and when Spotify paid her more the albums went back up.

You forgot the part where she makes legal maneuvers that result in direct threats of criminal action against her fans.

It’s ok to realize your heroes did a shitty thing. Most of them do.

And you can't convince me Lars Ulrich had the mental wherewithal to understand the big picture on Napster. The RIAA was pissing against the tide trying to keep physical media going and I think some execs told Lars "They are stealing your music" and he became the talent's face of their fight.

It was disappointing to me that Some Kind of Monster missed any behind the scenes on how that went down.

Based on the way he tells the story, where Napster was some strange thing that they had never heard of, you can’t convince me that he had social contact with anyone under 30 at the time.
 

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You forgot the part where she makes legal maneuvers that result in direct threats of criminal action against her fans.

It’s ok to realize your heroes did a shitty thing. Most of them do.

He's also not a hero of mine at all, but in this case he didn't do a shity thing.

Metallica sought a minimum of $10 million in damages, at a rate of $100,000 per illegally downloaded song.
Metallica demanded that their songs be banned from file sharing, and that the users responsible for sharing their music be banned from the service.

They then agreed to a settlement that would block music being shared from any artist that did not want their music to be shared.

A&M Records and the RIAA filed harsher suits and you seem to be conflating those with Metallica's.

Oh and you forgot about Dre, he also filed a suit similar to Metallica's and agreed to the same settlement, no money just a block on music being shared if the artist didn't consent.
 

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I was a college-age student when the Napster thing was a major story. That didn't stop me from buying and selling their CDs. What bothered me more was that those guys would could call an album "Kill 'Em All". Thankfully, it was a good one. Super influential for all types of metal. What an awesome debut. A lot of the songs were written by Dave Mustaine from Megadeth.
 

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beowulf

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Metallica do like to use latin in song titles and/or lyrics that's for sure.
Nice figured they would go to Montreal they love the place, and Quebec City, as they are really popular there. I might have to go to this given that its their first show at the Big O since the riot which I was at in 1992. Unless I am forgetting another time...but I don't think they have been to the Big O since.
 

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