That's one scenario (an awesome one, hope it happens). What about these other two scenarios?
He literally didn't, when he signed for cheaper than Marner after Marner signed his deal, while having a better case than him.
Well, I was there the first year, 48 point season so a GM really has to be committed to the process. At least 4 years. Maybe even 5 years to win it all even though the Avs got back to the POs a couple of years thereafter IIRC. So I suspect a lot would ride on ownership’s buy-in too.
And Nuke came down to the wire where offers were floated that the Avs had to match.
Well that's one way of looking at it, vs seeing Rantanen sign for 2m! less than his closest comparable.
Rantanen was pacing for 96 points, he only played in 74 games while Marner did a full 82. Marner had 26 goals, Rantanen had 31 (34 pace). And in the playoffs, Marner had 4 points in 7 games vs. Rantanen who had 14 points in 12 games. Frankly, the only case Marner could have against Rantanen was his rookie year, and for Rantanen that was with the 48 point Avs. 2nd and third year of their ELCs, I'd say Rantanen was better than Marner.
If Rantanen signs for 13mil after we do a deep run, I think most people would say that's perfectly good value for him. Him making more than MacKinnon would look silly, but look at what Nylander just signed for lol. And Pastrnak is a pretty good comparable, 1,8 more than him with a two year inflation and cap rising fits the pick as well. It's another thing if this is the smart play for the Avs, many people make good arguments why it's not and they are pretty good ones as well.
Bednar keeps hammering in interviews that you need depth to have success in the playoffs. Hopefully his GM is listening.
It is basically 1.6m, but we're splitting hairs there. IMO Marner's case was better. Pacing does not equal what actually happens, and defense is an important part of the game.
Yeah maybe my value was off a little bit haha. He compliments all players he plays with and can play on any line. I balk at a first and b-/ c+ value I understand all the reasons he won’t go(Colton) if they choose Colton over lehky I’m going to become a troll. lol Colton will never love it down
I don't think the intent was to be a dick. Just showing that salary has to be cut and there simply isn't anyway around it. $4m has to come off the books with minimal coming back. Or if you go higher amounts you can bring back some salary. There is a contingent here that simply ignores the fiscal reality of the situation. There is nothing against any of these players, it is simply that the Avs cannot continue to afford all of them... to the tune of $4m being gone. There are about 6 different ways that it can go that have various pros and cons. I don't think any of them would really be popular.
The Avs will find a way to do it. Teams just don't let the stars of the team go.
Because everyone in that RFA class did. I've tried to hammer down this point multiple times, but it's still not coming through to you. Might as well bring in 1980s negotiations with Grezky if you are bringing up Nylander, Kuch and whatnot. They are not relevant to what the market was for Rantanen and the rest of the RFAs. They were not comparables.
Well no agent should, but the Avs have the stats to argue their case. The last time they didn't, and a comparable contract didn't exist in any case within the team.
I'm sure he'd rather have 3 Ross Coltons instead of Rantanen.
Do you think part of the Rantanen negotiations in 2019 were perhaps made more difficult by the Avs being in the situation where MacKinnon was clearly the #1 player, but current (at the time) salary dynamics were dictating that they were going to have to pay Rantanen ~50% more than they were paying MacKinnon? Kind of a "Duchene cap" situation, but significantly worse?
The Avs were clearly willing to go above MacK, they just had a limit. Rumors are that the Avs cut term as the compromise. Same thing they did for Makar.
Fair enough… the fiscal situation doesn’t seem to get through. Which is basically 4m has to come off the books. Give or take a touch.
When there are literally 5 big name RFA's, and all of them hold out the same way until training camp, and then sign within a week of eachother, that tells you that they were all playing the waiting game and seeing who gives up first. Marner did, and that was basically because of media pressure, when details of his contract negotiations leaked out.
I'm not purposefully trying to demean you or anyone. Are you perhaps being just a trifle over sensitive?
If moving on from Lehkonen closes our window then this core isn’t that great.
Maybe the Avs were the difficult ones in this case when considering Mikko got the same term as Marner but for 1.6M less. To me it indicates he did not get paid like you suggest.
