2024 NHL Draft: Play with no weenie, for Celebrini

[16thOverallSaveUs]

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[Dr Jan Itor]

Greentree is growing on me. Like the production separation on his own team. Wish he was a righty though.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Rough Rankings for me right now. It’s hard to order these guys.

1. Celebrini
————-
2. Demidov
3. Buiuim
4. Yakemchuk
5. Dickinson
6. Levshunov
7. Catton
8. Perekh
9. Eiserman
10. Lindstrom
————-
11. Connelly
12. Iginla
13. Helenius
14. Chernyshov
15. Bransegg-Nygard
16. Silayev
17. Jiricek
18. Green tree

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Repost from tank thread:

Honestly, I'm starting to think of this draft as a top 5 (or 6, depending on how one feels about Eiserman) and then a next 8 or 9.

My top 5 is (probably ranked this way):
Celebrini
Demidov
Dickinson
Catton
Levshunov

Then Eiserman kind of on an in-between island.

Remaining 9 similarly tiered (not ranked, just listed):
Buium
Lindstrom
Yakemchuk
Connelly
Parekh
Iginla
Greentree
Silayev
Helenius

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Rough Rankings for me right now. It’s hard to order these guys.

1. Celebrini
————-
2. Demidov
3. Buiuim
4. Yakemchuk
5. Dickinson
6. Levshunov
7. Catton
8. Perekh
9. Eiserman
10. Lindstrom
————-
11. Connelly
12. Iginla
13. Helenius
14. Chernyshov
15. Bransegg-Nygard
16. Silayev
17. Jiricek
18. Green tree

I like your list with the exception of Connelly, just not a fan of his game personally. I would have Sennecke on my list instead, somewhere around 13-17.

 

[BagHead]

Rough Rankings for me right now. It’s hard to order these guys.

1. Celebrini
————-
2. Demidov
3. Buiuim
4. Yakemchuk
5. Dickinson
6. Levshunov
7. Catton
8. Perekh
9. Eiserman
10. Lindstrom
————-
11. Connelly
12. Iginla
13. Helenius
14. Chernyshov
15. Bransegg-Nygard
16. Silayev
17. Jiricek
18. Green tree

Seeing them all listed out this way, I realize that we'll probably get a decent prospect who will, hopefully, become a decent player. Things don't feel so bleak anymore, so, thanks for that. It'd be nice to get a star player, but decent will be fine considering our spot in the standings.

 

[57special]

Celebrini

I have no clue, after that. I wouldn't be surprised if Helenius turns out to be the best forward, or Parekh the next Erik Karlsson, but i wouldn't want to bet on it, and since we probably aren't going to be picking till 13-15, it's not an issue anyway.

Around where we are picking Iginla, Greentree, Jiricek are probably going to be around. I can't see GM's being willing to take on Connelly's baggage without feeling they are getting a steal, so I see him going late teens or 20's. Sennecke is interesting... he's a project due to his gawky frame, but might end up being a really good top 6 scoring winger with size.

Damn, just realized i've said the same thing about this draft in just about every other post so far.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Went back 6 years starting from the 2019 draft. Each top 10 averages 4-5 guys that I feel people would consider extremely underwhelming for their draft position, if not outright busts/disappointments.

2019: Kakko, Dach, Turcotte, Broberg, Podkolzin
2018: Kotkaniemi, Hayton, Zadina, Boqvist, Kravtsov
2017: Patrick, Glass, Andersson, Rasmussen
2016: Puljujarvi, Juolevi, A. Nylander, Jost
2015: Strome, Zacha, Provorov, Hanifin (underwhelming perhaps used liberally here)
2014: Bennett, Dal Colle, Virtanen, Fleury, Ritchie

Take your pick as to who the 4-5 will be this year.

 

[57special]

Lindstrom, Eiserman, Levshunov, Silayev

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

I like your list with the exception of Connelly, just not a fan of his game personally. I would have Sennecke on my list instead, somewhere around 13-17.

Should’ve added Sennecke. I like him

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Outside of Celebrini type prospects, it’s all a dart throw on traits. You get better traits at more desireabkenprositions the higher up you draft, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a draft throw.

 

[MNRube]

Helenius looks really solid. I’d be thrilled with him around pick 14. Proven production, RHS. Reminds me a bit of Johnston in that he just understands how to manipulate time and space.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

I like Helenius. Good Skater and intelligent player. I don’t see any special skill or shooting ability. It’s a bonus that he’s a righty. I think he’s a middle 6 center or 2nd line winger in his prime.

 

[BuckifyouKnuck]

Thoughts on Michael Hage if picking 13-15 and nobody in the top 12 falls?
RHC, 6'1 (Wheeler mentions in Athletic maybe an inch or two taller now), very skilled, fast, won't turn 18 for a couple more weeks, and lit up USHL (32+41 in 52) on a mediocre Chicago Steel team and is committed to Michigan next year -- ranked in 20-30s on most lists all year but sounds like he could end up a riser. Shoulder injury slowed him down last year, but feels like he's just starting to scratch his surface. Not sure if he's a natural C or not but kinda moot point with current prospect pool anyways

 

[f7ben]

Are we thinking all the dmen are gone by 14?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Thoughts on Michael Hage if picking 13-15 and nobody in the top 12 falls?
RHC, 6'1 (Wheeler mentions in Athletic maybe an inch or two taller now), very skilled, fast, won't turn 18 for a couple more weeks, and lit up USHL (32+41 in 52) on a mediocre Chicago Steel team and is committed to Michigan next year -- ranked in 20-30s on most lists all year but sounds like he could end up a riser. Shoulder injury slowed him down last year, but feels like he's just starting to scratch his surface. Not sure if he's a natural C or not but kinda moot point with current prospect pool anyways

Decently open to it. I like the size, handedness, age, production and skill description.

If Connolly is a DND, I could very well see him in that next group if the draft goes chalk through 14.

 

[57special]

Helenius looks really solid. I’d be thrilled with him around pick 14. Proven production, RHS. Reminds me a bit of Johnston in that he just understands how to manipulate time and space.

I mean, it's a cool ability, but I'd settle for a guy with good skating and a hard shot.

I like Helenius. Good Skater and intelligent player. I don’t see any special skill or shooting ability. It’s a bonus that he’s a righty. I think he’s a middle 6 center or 2nd line winger in his prime.

He and Catton are giving me Aho vibes. All three very smart players who just have the knack for making the right play at the right time- some people call it hockey sense.
Faber seems to have it in abundance. I don't see Helenius being around at #14, though. He's a top 12 guy, for me. I like seeing prospects perform well in Adult leagues, as opposed to putting up 20 gazillion points in the BCHL.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Went back 6 years starting from the 2019 draft. Each top 10 averages 4-5 guys that I feel people would consider extremely underwhelming for their draft position, if not outright busts/disappointments.

2019: Kakko, Dach, Turcotte, Broberg, Podkolzin
2018: Kotkaniemi, Hayton, Zadina, Boqvist, Kravtsov
2017: Patrick, Glass, Andersson, Rasmussen
2016: Puljujarvi, Juolevi, A. Nylander, Jost
2015: Strome, Zacha, Provorov, Hanifin (underwhelming perhaps used liberally here)
2014: Bennett, Dal Colle, Virtanen, Fleury, Ritchie

Take your pick as to who the 4-5 will be this year.

I think Demidov has potential to be one. How does one even judge him if he’s almost solely played in the MHL? Why isn’t he getting KHL games?

For reference, Kaprizov had a 30+ game KHL year going into his draft. Yurov had two 20+ game KHL years prior to his draft.

Demidov’s numbers in the MHL are elite. But why isn’t he getting KHL time?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I think Demidov has potential to be one. How does one even judge him if he’s almost solely played in the MHL? Why isn’t he getting KHL games?

For reference, Kaprizov had a 30+ game KHL year going into his draft. Yurov had two 20+ game KHL years prior to his draft.

Demidov’s numbers in the MHL are elite. But why isn’t he getting KHL time?

Never know over there. Long time ago, but Kucherov only had 9 KHL games his draft year, and then only 18 the year after, even though he had been torching the MHL for a while. Recently, Michkov played 13 KHL games in his D-1 and then only 3 in his draft year.

I feel like it ends up being extremely dependent on the team that they're on.

 

[57special]

Kaprizov was with Mettalurg, Demidov SKA. Big difference.

 

[Wonderful Tacos]

Never know over there. Long time ago, but Kucherov only had 9 KHL games his draft year, and then only 18 the year after, even though he had been torching the MHL for a while. Recently, Michkov played 13 KHL games in his D-1 and then only 3 in his draft year.

I feel like it ends up being extremely dependent on the team that they're on.

Yes. I might be getting this wrong but all the KHL teams have a MHL team (which is sort of like their CHL) but not every team has a VHL team (which is meant to be something like the AHL here) because the VHL used to be an independent league and not every KHL team has paired up with one yet.

I think this was the issue with Yurov btw. I think Metallurg doesnt have a VHL team but he had done everything against MHL so they would bring him up to KHL and not play him any real minutes bc he wasnt ready but they had nowhere else to send him.

 

[Wonderful Tacos]

Kaprizov was with Mettalurg, Demidov SKA. Big difference.

Just now looking at wiki of Kaprizov's old team Metallurg Novokusnetsk before he got traded to CSKA.
Kaprizov actually got traded at the same time (and probably because of) financial troubles with that team which caused them to be excluded from the KHL. Now they're a VHL developmental team for Avangard Omsk.

Yurov is now 8 wins away from winning Gagarin Cup btw.

 

[Wonderful Tacos]

Can anyone sell me on Carter Yakemchuk as a draft pick for the Wild?

(Full disclosure: I've never given him a ton of consideration and am only watching video and stuff of him now.)

I dont really see it.

He's huge with a good shot, great handles, and good awareness of whats going on around him but thats not enough for a 1st rnd pick defenseman for me.

He gets beat by forwards.. like cant catch up on breakways & gets further behind as they develop. I cant find much of anything of his open-ice skating (it looks like it would be awful) or his stick checking. At his size I would expect him to be a dominant physical player in that league but I dont see it (probably bc he's too slow). I would love to see a compilation of high pressure puck retrievals by this player to confirm or deny what I'm thinking about him.

Right now what I feel like I'm seeing is the anti-parekh, like the Charlie Stramel of defense prospects + edges + a bit of shooting (but its the CHL so lets not go crazy)

 

[Wonderful Tacos]

Like go watch whatever yakemchuk thing you want. get yourself 100% yakemchuk-pilled.

then watch this:



both are the usual goal highlights but who do you think is getting to the puck first? who do you think is making the nice outlet pass to the open player?

One other thing is Yakemchuck is like as old as possible to be a D-0 for this draft. September birthday = about half a year older than parekh

 

[57special]

Yakemchuk is not considered slow, at all. He is also very physical.