Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency - Offseason Edition

[BobRossColton]

Who the hell said Cale needs surgery?

Hypothetically, I don't see Manson doing well up there or malinski. So do you make a trade or sign a vet?

 

[Balthazar]

Yes it is. Now, this factors in several things happening:

1) Avs cap hit for Nichushkin is only 2M
2) Mittelstadt signs for 6M
3) Drouin signs for no more than 3.8M (if he comes in lower, Mittelstadt can be higher)
4) 4LW is 775K such as Kiviranta and Wagner plays 4C
5) Avs run a 21 man roster with a F/D hybrid like Caleb Jones being the healthy scratch rather than 22.

21 man roster with no cap space can be a major headache for teams when injuries occur, I don't know if the Avs are willing to go there.

If they do your lineup is not unrealistic.

Only tweaks I'd so is Ritchie will play, Mitts will make a bit under 6 and Drouin will be at 4M minimum.

 

[henchman21]

Hmm? I disagree. Guentzel will be Carolina's high paid winger and Toronto don't need Necas, they need defense and goaltending.

Now Marner to Nashville makes a ton more sense.

Marner is what they need and not Guentzel. Marner is an elite winger and Guentzel is another good 1st line piece, but not elite. Marner has had his struggles in the playoffs, but he's wouldn't be the first or last to find that switch on a different team (see Cheese). Guentzel and his contract would be a large mistake for Carolina IMO. Seal the good, but not great team for the long term.

 

[Balthazar]

Marner is what they need and not Guentzel. Marner is an elite winger and Guentzel is another good 1st line piece, but not elite. Marner has had his struggles in the playoffs, but he's wouldn't be the first or last to find that switch on a different team (see Cheese). Guentzel and his contract would be a large mistake for Carolina IMO. Seal the good, but not great team for the long term.

I don't disagree but they are reportedly already working on a Guentzel deal.

 

[Hasbro]

Two teams i could see interested feeling like they need to take the next step are Buffalo and New Jersey.

 

[BobRossColton]

Two teams i could see interested feeling like they need to take the next step are Buffalo and New Jersey.

Probably Ottawa as well

 

[Hasbro]

Probably Ottawa as well

RIP Pierre Dorian.

 

[BobRossColton]

Sorry, not sorry.

Colton+2024 1st

Grieg
Chychrun @ 50%

 

[Cypher]

Need to bring back, sign right now
- Mitts (RFA)
- Drouin

Be nice to bring back, if cap allows
- Trenin
- JMFJ
- Duhaime

Depth fillers to bring back, call-ups when needed
- Kivi
- Olofsson
- Tufte
- Polin (RFA)
- Jones
- Prosvetov

Let walk via UFA
- Walker

Retire
- Parise
- Cogliano

For the start of the season, if Landeskog is good to play, I don't know how to make it work. Even my contracts to Mitts and Drouin are team friendly. A 4m 3C seems like a luxury Avs can't really afford.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Need to bring back, sign right now
- Mitts (RFA)
- Drouin

Be nice to bring back, if cap allows
- Trenin
- JMFJ
- Duhaime

Depth fillers to bring back, call-ups when needed
- Kivi
- Olofsson
- Tufte
- Polin (RFA)
- Jones
- Prosvetov

Let walk via UFA
- Walker

Retire
- Parise
- Cogliano

For the start of the season, if Landeskog is good to play, I don't know how to make it work. Even my contracts to Mitts and Drouin are team friendly. A 4m 3C seems like a luxury Avs can't really afford.

I mean, there's absolutely no reason to bring back Trenin at $2M to be the 4C, or Duhaime at $1.2M to be a 4LW.


Both of those roster spots should be filled by league minimum, or at most $1M players. We can simply buy another Trenin/Duhaime at next years deadline for 3rd round picks if we need too. And quite frankly it's probably a good time to give some younger guys a real chance to earn those slots.




Honestly if they manage to get rid of Nukes cap hit entirely(Doubtful but for arguments sake), this summer gets extremely easy to manage cap wise.

 

[the_fan]

We really don’t need Trenin, Duhaime and Walker back. I mean if there was cap space, I’d love to have them back, but there is no cap space. Drouin is more of a priority to bring back than those 3

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Next season is the most critical part. In that deal, the difference would be 1mil. Not enough to solve our cap issues. The cap is going to increase very sharply, that should take care of the Rantanen extension.

So, we would still be forced to trade someone else besides Rantanen for next season. As for 2025 onwards, if you think Terry + additional 5,5mil player is better than having Rantanen, sure. I don't agree, but we all have our opinions.

How is it only $1M? $9.25-7 = 2.25M... You don't count Mintyukov. He's another roster slot filled and done so for under $1M.


It would save $2.25M on Mikko's roster spot. That's a lot for next year.

 

[lionsDen]

Once you have been put in the PAP, I don’t think you have a “probation” or you can go back in levels. I have not found much that I can back that up. I base this off the nfl and how they work through it. Von miller?

Anybody know where I can read up on this.


The only thing I can find is that a player can leave the pap only when checked off from the doctor's. Which is different from the discipline portion of it?

 

[Foppa2118]

Negotiating their way out of Val's contract or putting him on LTIR probably allows Drouin to come back.

JJ should be brought back. He only cost league min to sign this year so they should be able to get him for that again. Whether he's the cheap #6 they need or a #7, they probably won't find a better option at league min.

Feels like Cogs may retire, but I'd still take him back at league min. Even if just for his leadership. I'd also like to see him pull a Parise, and take the first half of the year off to refresh for the stretch run/playoffs.

My preference would be for them to tweak the makeup of the D core a bit, but that may be unlikely, so I expect to see something along the lines of this to start next season.

 

[dahrougem2]

I think Sean Behrens is on this roster to start next season 100% in a 3LD role.

 

[the_fan]

Landy situation needs to be resolved next season or the Avs gonna find themselves in the same spot. If he’s back then all good, if not then they really need to replace him and name a new captain.

Avs used Landy’s LTIR to get players, but none of them replaced him. You can get all the depth players you want but no one is gonna bring what Landy brings. If he’s not coming back, we need a legit top 6 winger. Drouin has been good but he’s no Landy either.

 

[dahrougem2]

Landy situation needs to be resolved next season or the Avs gonna find themselves in the same spot. If he’s back then all good, if not then they really need to replace him and name a new captain.

Avs used Landy’s LTIR to get players, but none of them replaced him. You can get all the depth players you want but no one is gonna bring what Landy brings. If he’s not coming back, we need a legit top 6 winger. Drouin has been good but he’s no Landy either.

It's going to be resolved but it will have to wait until next season. Landeskog will be at training camp, that timeline puts him at 16 months which is the end of his recovery from the surgery.

If he's good to go, he'll play. If he's not, then he'll go on LTIR the rest of his career and the Avs will use that money to find a different player. Either way, the Avs will have clarity - they just have to wait until training camp and plan the offseason as if he will be back.

It will obviously be a down year if he can't come back, we lose Nichushkin and we miss out on UFAs because of his Summer cap hit. But that's the risk the org is willing to take for Landeskog to return.

 

[Freaky Styley]

I would like Trenin back personally. If we are hell-bent against keeping him at C I think he could sub-in for Colton during the season at 3C, but he's most effective at LW. He's like a Nuke-lite if he could work on his foot-speed. I like the flexibility he gives us at F and think he wouldn't look out of place in a checking role in the top 2 lines. I don't think he got a look there primarily just because our only other C option was Wagner.

Ritchie could take 4C duties potentially or just sign one. I'd like to move Wood, but if not he should be on the 4th line come playoff time ideally. Trenin is better than Wood at 3LW IMO, or even move Trenin to 3C and put Colton back on the Wing

Duhaime didn't get much ice but he also didn't show me much in crunch time, no reason to keep him or Walker. Trenin and Drouin would the 2 guys I'd keep, and still explore Mikko deals.

Drouin - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Landeskog - Mitts - Lehkonen
Colton/Trenin/Wood/LOC/Kovalenko/Ritchie/Kivi/Foudy
I think you can afford to lose Colton from that list for cap purposes. Saves us about 2M prob

Kovalenko - Trenin - LOC
Wood - Ritchie/UFA - Kiviranta/Foudy/UFA

If Landeskog can't go, keep Colton and put him on Mitts wing to start.

 

[Pokecheque]

I would like Trenin back personally. If we are hell-bent against keeping him at C I think he could sub-in for Colton during the season at 3C, but he's most effective at LW. He's like a Nuke-lite if he could work on his foot-speed. I like the flexibility he gives us at F and think he wouldn't look out of place in a checking role in the top 2 lines. I don't think he got a look there primarily just because our only other C option was Wagner.

Ritchie could take 4C duties potentially or just sign one. I'd like to move Wood, but if not he should be on the 4th line come playoff time ideally. Trenin is better than Wood at 3LW IMO, or even move Trenin to 3C and put Colton back on the Wing

Duhaime didn't get much ice but he also didn't show me much in crunch time, no reason to keep him or Walker. Trenin and Drouin would the 2 guys I'd keep, and still explore Mikko deals.

Drouin - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Landeskog - Mitts - Lehkonen
Colton/Trenin/Wood/LOC/Kovalenko/Ritchie/Kivi/Foudy
I think you can afford to lose Colton from that list for cap purposes. Saves us about 2M prob

Kovalenko - Trenin - LOC
Wood - Ritchie/UFA - Kiviranta/Foudy/UFA

If Landeskog can't go, keep Colton and put him on Mitts wing to start.

I don’t really want Trenin back. He was good in some respects but ultimately I found him way too slow to be an effective player for the Avs. I don't think Duhaime is as good a player and yet IMO he accomplished more.

 

[jfc64]

IMO the Avs roster next season looks like this:

Lehkonen - MacKinnon - Drouin
Landeskog - Mittelstadt - Rantanen


Because if you (we?) don't trade Rantanen , you are once again hamstringing the team's depth and accepting that yes, you will be top heavy.

IMO Rantanen should stay. Why should the AVS be without a top player for the playoffs? Top heavy has been successful for us. We got our second line center. We did good. Beat Jets and was close to the Stars. Such is sport.

 

[niwotsblessing]

Because if you don't trade Rantanen, you are once again hamstringing the team's depth and accepting that yes, you will be top heavy.

Which is exactly why we need to trade him and re-tool the team.

 

[ABasin]

I think Sean Behrens is on this roster to start next season 100% in a 3LD role.

They’ve got to get some ELCs in the lineup. Both for financial reasons, and they need the young legs.

 

[LOFIN]

Which is exactly why we need to trade him and re-tool the team.

If you think that Rantanen is the best way to solve our cap issues then fine, I'm ok to explore that option. If you think that this team will be improved by swapping Rantanen for two or three lesser players, wrong. Unless you trade him for a guy like Saros, who is a difference maker in that position.

 

[henchman21]

I don’t really want Trenin back. He was good in some respects but ultimately I found him way too slow to be an effective player for the Avs. I don't think Duhaime is as good a player and yet IMO he accomplished more.

And Trenin might be more of a Bambi than Rants.

Target more IQ over big and fast for the bottom 6.

 

[ABasin]

I mean, there's absolutely no reason to bring back Trenin at $2M to be the 4C, or Duhaime at $1.2M to be a 4LW.


Both of those roster spots should be filled by league minimum, or at most $1M players. We can simply buy another Trenin/Duhaime at next years deadline for 3rd round picks if we need too. And quite frankly it's probably a good time to give some younger guys a real chance to earn those slots.




Honestly if they manage to get rid of Nukes cap hit entirely(Doubtful but for arguments sake), this summer gets extremely easy to manage cap wise.

We've talked pretty extensively about the notion that the Avs have to cut a $3-4M to fit Mitts in, debating about whether they should dump Lehkonen, Girard, or Manson.

I admit that when we were having those debates, I was not considering Nichushkin's salary as the one they could create space with. But it's quite viable now. It all depends on what garbage cap hit the Avs are going to have to carry forward.