World Cup: 2020 World Cup in Doubt if NHL CBA Reopened

[djpatm]

Do you take me for North American?

No I was using your point as back up for mine!

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Pathetic if true. Bad enough they won't go to the Olympics, their own crappy tournament to replace it may not even run.

It could be a long time before we see a true best on best hockey tournament with an ounce of legitimacy.

 

[garbageteam]

And out of those 8 England and Urugay have not been anywhere near "a shot at winning the whole thing" in forever. Intermittently the Netherlands have had a chance. And Belgium constantly gets talked up, but nothing ever comes of that.

It has been 50 years since anyone other than Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy, France, Spain or the Netherlands even made it to a final. There has never been a top4 team from NA, Oceania or Africa.

Asia's lone Top 4 appearance has been put into question before too

International football is really top-heavy considering there are four times as many FIFA countries as there are in IIHF. If hockey has 6 countries that can actually have a shot at winning the thing and in football there are 8 and basketball, maybe 2, hockey actually has pretty good parity. Any competition with best players amongst the top 6 countries + 2 outliers would be a treat to watch, maybe more than a 48 team FIFA World Cup.

So no, they really did not need to fluff it up with two short-sighted non-international allstar teams and in the process, screw up the selection criteria for two existing national powerhouses. A final with real merit and story behind it (Sweden-Canada) was totally screwed with by, while a good story, a team with no identity or story behind it. I want the World Cup to continue in 2020, but only if there are absolutely no made up teams.

Some claim international teams are arbitrary, but what's truly arbitrary is a club team where a player's only allegiance to the club and its fans is to the owner's chequebook and the league's business rules and occasionally, where they like to party or where their spouse wants to buy a luxury condo.

International allegiance transcends this, going to identity, culture, heritage and a result of how a country has put its public dollars supporting the sport and its athletes. Killing international hockey kills the sport's relevance on the global stage - already on the fringes.

 

[djpatm]

The thing is if there's only 6 teams with a shot to do anything it's always the same 6 in the knock out rounds.

In soccer you might only have 5 or 6 really top end teams expected to contend but you have another 20 that can and do beat those 6 teams so you do get some variety in the final few rounds, although it's usually 3 of those 6 in the semi's. Usually.

 

[TorstenFrings]

No I was using your point as back up for mine!

Ah, okay, I wasn't sure.

[MOD]

 

[Past Considerations]

Well that sucks. I was looking forward to seeing what gimmick was next.

Team left-handed? A women's team? Moving nets? 2 pucks?

Jan 2015: The NHL’s long-range plan includes a Ryder Cup-style North America vs. Europe series in 2018 and a more expansive 2020 World Cup that could feature North American players with German, English, Irish, Italian or French heritage playing for those countries to grow the game in those nations.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-announces-world-cup-of-hockey-for-2016-1.2930670

 

[TorstenFrings]

Jan 2015: The NHL’s long-range plan includes a Ryder Cup-style North America vs. Europe series in 2018 and a more expansive 2020 World Cup that could feature North American players with German, English, Irish, Italian or French heritage playing for those countries to grow the game in those nations.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-announces-world-cup-of-hockey-for-2016-1.2930670

Is that an Onion article? Who comes up with these ideas? If they do not find enough actual Irish heritage players, they can just do what they do on the St. Patrick's day jerseys and put an O' in front of any random players name. I am sure that'll help them to a breakthrough in the market.

 

[kajoo]

NHL needs to eat slice of a humble pie and admit there is no better alternative of hockey World's than the one organised by its long term enemy IIHF. Easy as that. Which is never going to happen

 

[kajoo]

Bettmans NHL is stubborn as he'll in admitting simple truth that there is life outside of NHL. But their own pride doesn't allow them to think rationally they rather go into the war with anything not masterminded by NHL itself, even if idea himself is good. That's why hockey will never becomes global thing, small minds prevails.

 

[TorstenFrings]

Bettmans NHL is stubborn as he'll in admitting simple truth that there is life outside of NHL. But their own pride doesn't allow them to think rationally they rather go into the war with anything not masterminded by NHL itself, even if idea himself is good. That's why hockey will never becomes global thing, small minds prevails.

I don't think they care about whose idea it was, they care about controlling the revenue stream all by themselves.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

IIHF World Championship only good international tournament.

OG -rip
Wcup -rip

Long live Bear God!

 

[Xokkeu]

Yeah but at the same time most Europeans view the IIHF WC as a legitimate tournament so I'm not sure Europeans are the best source for information.

The worlds are more legitimate than the world cup

 

[pigpen65]

Thought it was stupid. Glad its gone.

 

[Xokkeu]

Is that an Onion article? Who comes up with these ideas? If they do not find enough actual Irish heritage players, they can just do what they do on the St. Patrick's day jerseys and put an O' in front of any random players name. I am sure that'll help them to a breakthrough in the market.

Sadly no. They got their idea from baseball which doesn't even require you to be a citizen of a team to play. So basically there was a team USA. Team Jewish USA. Team Italians surname USA. Team Mexican USA.

 

[Lempo]

Jan 2015: The NHL’s long-range plan includes a Ryder Cup-style North America vs. Europe series in 2018 and a more expansive 2020 World Cup that could feature North American players with German, English, Irish, Italian or French heritage playing for those countries to grow the game in those nations.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-announces-world-cup-of-hockey-for-2016-1.2930670

Good. I have problem with Niskanen and Leivo playing in wrong team. Jake Virtanen, less so.

 

[TorstenFrings]

Sadly no. They got their idea from baseball which doesn't even require you to be a citizen of a team to play. So basically there was a team USA. Team Jewish USA. Team Italians surname USA. Team Mexican USA.

If you do not like "international" tournaments unless everyone in them is American, just do not have them.

 

[Tuoppi]

The thing is if there's only 6 teams with a shot to do anything it's always the same 6 in the knock out rounds.

In soccer you might only have 5 or 6 really top end teams expected to contend but you have another 20 that can and do beat those 6 teams so you do get some variety in the final few rounds, although it's usually 3 of those 6 in the semi's. Usually.

Slovakia was third and Belarus fourth in best on best tournament. Switzerland was second and Germany fourth in World championships. There are 8 good enough teams for the World cup and even more.

 

[BalticWarrior]

NHL is killing international hockey, greedy ****s. Calling the abomination that is World Cup legitimate is laughable. **** Bettman

 

[Xokkeu]

If you do not like "international" tournaments unless everyone in them is American, just do not have them.

It's more like they want to create the appearance of an international tournament when really in baseball you have maybe 6-7 legit teams.

 

[TorstenFrings]

It's more like they want to create the appearance of an international tournament when really in baseball you have maybe 6-7 legit teams.

I guess. Americans are really serious about being 1/16th Polish or German or something. They always make sure to tell you. If this is something that interests them and makes money, then it is getting made.

The expectation though, that having American players of Irish or Mexican heritage will help grow the game in Ireland and Mexico, is flabbergasting. Are these people locked in some basement between press conferences? They seem so out of touch.

 

[kunekune]

Nobody wants World Cup. Not the players, not the fans and with not as money made as they though I don't think even NHL wants it anymore. The whole idea was born dead.

They can't sell out Air Canada center even when Canada plays. Even IIHF world championship is more appealing to neutral fans.

 

[Xokkeu]

I guess. Americans are really serious about being 1/16th Polish or German or something. They always make sure to tell you. If this is something that interests them and makes money, then it is getting made.

The expectation though, that having American players of Irish or Mexican heritage will help grow the game in Ireland and Mexico, is flabbergasting. Are these people locked in some basement between press conferences? They seem so out of touch.

Same attitude that gave us team North America u23 and team Europe -4.

 

[TorstenFrings]

Same attitude that gave us team North America u23 and team Europe -4.

It must have been such a lovely success, if they are scrapping it already.

 

[Lempo]

I guess. Americans are really serious about being 1/16th Polish or German or something. They always make sure to tell you. If this is something that interests them and makes money, then it is getting made.

The expectation though, that having American players of Irish or Mexican heritage will help grow the game in Ireland and Mexico, is flabbergasting. Are these people locked in some basement between press conferences? They seem so out of touch.

So yeah this is a Texan astronaut and a Finnish super celebrity we adopted because his granddaddy was born in Finland back in the day:

http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9604274

Too bad there's no need, or will, to fight over our souls. We'd be suckers for this crap.

We also gotta claim Mackinnon, his lastname is pronounced more correctly in Finnish by the pbp guys than any of our legit guy's.

 

[Street Hawk]

Its a lot of hockey for NHLer's. Seasons are so grueling and just long. Not to mention injuries, players need time to heal, recover and post season workout. Just gets to be too much

Hockey used to be a winter sport and winter job. Now it's year around

Per Ken Campbell of the Hockey News in November, he wrote:

"Each of the 184 players who was on a World Cup roster projected to to be paid between $75,000 and $80,000 (U.S.), while players who spent all 186 days on an NHL roster last season will be paid about $10,000 each. Players who were not on an NHL roster for the entire season will be paid a pro-rated amount."

Canadian players also split the winner's prize of $500K, while the World Team split $250K for 2nd place.

So, the max a player makes is about $100K for about 2 weeks worth of games.

There are 14 pay cheques throughout an NHL season. So, $7 million per year players get $500K for each pay check. So, for the established stars of the NHL, this $100K max that a player gets is worth less than 2 NHL games to them.

Not exactly worth it from a financial POV.

Total value is high for the PA, but on an individual level, it's not really that much relative to what they are currently making in the NHL.