Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft - Part III

[Pitaya]

It seems as though, from what Im reading around, that Rossi Raymond Perfetti Holtz are the consensus 5-8 picks

If this is true which one do we think fits best? It seems as though Raymond and Rossi get more favoritism on the main board so perhaps itll be between Perfetti and Holtz? Whos the better skater, IQ, shot, etc..?


From the little Ive been told Holtz seems like the perfect fit for us. 6’ goal scorer who gets into the dirty areas

 

[Team Concept]

I think I like Alexander Holtz a lot more than Lucas Raymond. If you go to eliteprospects.com and just compare the two players side-by-side at all levels of hockey they are pretty much tied, but there are few levels where Holtz outperformed Raymond and he seems to be a much better goal scorer than Raymond. Plus Raymond needs to put on a lot more weight sitting at 165. Here is Craig Button's mock, but I would flip the last 2 picks:

 

[Quest for Stanley]

At #7 the Devils pick likely will not be NHL ready and be returned to junior. Improvements will need to come internally.

1. It’s time to make a decision on the GM.

2. The Devils need to lock up and commit to their RFA regulars- Blackwood, Bratt and RFA prospects-Anderson, Seney, Merkley, White.

3. Take advantage of the next 5 or 6 months and develop what’s already in the pipeline.

 

[JrFischer54]

only the nhl could have a draft lotto show and then determine no winner during that show. lol comical joke

 

[JrFischer54]

At #7 the Devils pick likely will not be NHL ready and be returned to junior. Improvements will need to come internally.

1. It’s time to make a decision on the GM.

2. The Devils need to lock up and commit to their RFA regulars- Blackwood, Bratt and RFA prospects-Anderson, Seney, Merkley, White.

3. Take advantage of the next 5 or 6 months and develop what’s already in the pipeline.

thats beyond huge I really hope it doesn't have to be reminded to the devils ownership that this is a unique chance for them to be well rested while other teams are slugging through an extended playoff and season. they really need to hire a gm a coach so that he can dictate a type of play he wants for the players and they can focus on training remotely or individually.

 

[glenwo2]

It seems as though, from what Im reading around, that Rossi Raymond Perfetti Holtz are the consensus 5-8 picks

If this is true which one do we think fits best? It seems as though Raymond and Rossi get more favoritism on the main board so perhaps itll be between Perfetti and Holtz? Whos the better skater, IQ, shot, etc..?


From the little Ive been told Holtz seems like the perfect fit for us. 6’ goal scorer who gets into the dirty areas

Rossi is the sexier pick of the four (though If he wasn't available, I'd "settle" for Holtz. ), imo.

 

[JrFischer54]

I really don't know why anyone is even talking about drafting a goalie in the first round no less when our starting goalie is 22 and showed pretty legit promise. This isn't a sport where you can rotate two goalies on a regular basis effectively.

 

[glenwo2]

only the nhl could have a draft lotto show and then determine no winner during that show. lol comical joke

What's worse : They got our hopes up when they interviewed MARTY and no GM, making us think that the Devils won or something.

No wonder Fitz had a look like he ate a box of Lemons while he was using his phone.

 

[glenwo2]

BTW, if this 12.5% odds thing given to the losers of the play-in round is true, does everyone think it's UTTER BULLSH-T that the non-playoff teams like us and the others around us had LESS ODDS?

So those who got to play, will have better odds at winning Lafreniere than half the non-playoff teams.

WHAT.

A.

JOKE.

 

[Devils731]

BTW, if this 12.5% odds thing given to the losers of the play-in round is true, does everyone think it's UTTER BULLSH-T that the non-playoff teams like us and the others around us had LESS ODDS?

So those who got to play, will have better odds at winning Lafreniere than half the non-playoff teams.

WHAT.

A.

JOKE.

No. Those teams all had less chance of winning number 1 before the ping pong balls were drawn yesterday.

They have a greater chance today but they would have had a greater chance even at 0.1% because the Devils chance is now 0%

The play in losers overall chance of winning first overall was about 3% and the Devils were about double at about 7%.

 

[NJDevs26]

The above is basically correct. When you combine 8-15 there was about a 25% chance (24.5 tbe) of any of those placeholder teams getting the top pick...but of those teams you only had a 1/8 chance of winning it so you have to divide the 24.5 between eight teams equally. Dividing 24.5 by 8 = about a 3% chance overall for any of the play-in losers.

 

[JrFischer54]

No. Those teams all had less chance of winning number 1 before the ping pong balls were drawn yesterday.

They have a greater chance today but they would have had a greater chance even at 0.1% because the Devils chance is now 0%

The play in losers overall chance of winning first overall was about 3% and the Devils were about double at about 7%.

what I don't get is why did they weigh the non playoff spots? they honestly should've just adjusted the 7 non playoff teams odds and made the non playoff teams a flat 1 or 2%. further expanding on that point they should then have every team knocked out of the play in round on a weighed odds based on regular season point %. this way if 4 bottom teams and 4 high teams get knocked out the bottom teams have a better shot which they should for the pick. saying that the yotes and habs should have same odds as the leafs and pens isn't even comical its ridiculous.

 

[Devils731]

what I don't get is why did they weigh the non playoff spots? they honestly should've just adjusted the 7 non playoff teams odds and made the non playoff teams a flat 1 or 2%. further expanding on that point they should then have every team knocked out of the play in round on a weighed odds based on regular season point %. this way if 4 bottom teams and 4 high teams get knocked out the bottom teams have a better shot which they should for the pick. saying that the yotes and habs should have same odds as the leafs and pens isn't even comical its ridiculous.

I’m guessing the league needed buy in from the Leafs and Pens.

If you’re the Penguins and you were a basic shoe in for the playoffs but now you have to play a 5 game series where anything can happen to qualify you’re not very happy. You’re going to be even less happy if you lose.

A 5 game play in series after months of time off could end up with very random results. To assuage the teams that may get screwed by losing they made the lottery round 2 odds flat.

The teams that actually took a hit were teams like Arizona or Montreal. They’d be better off long term with first overall than playoffs but ended up with worse overall odds in this current system.

 

[Team Concept]

Here is Corey Pronman's mock in The Athletic:

1. Team Placeholder: Alexis Lafreniere, LW, Rimouski-QMJHL

2. Los Angeles Kings: Quinton Byfield, C, Sudbury-OHL

3. Ottawa Senators: Tim Stutzle, LW, Mannheim-DEL

4. Detroit Red Wings: Lucas Raymond, LW, Frolunda-SHL

5. Ottawa Senators: Cole Perfetti, C, Saginaw-OHL

6. Anaheim Ducks: Jamie Drysdale, D, Erie-OHL

7. New Jersey Devils: Marco Rossi, C, Ottawa-OHL

Corey Masisak: The reaction to this pick might be “of course” in some NHL circles because the Devils have drafted three prospects who played with Rossi on the 67s and traded for a fourth, but New Jersey should know as much about the Austrian forward as any team. Rossi is not tall, but he plays bigger than his height, and he’s one of the most skilled players in the draft. He led the OHL with 120 points this season.
The Devils have drafted a center in the first round in four of the past five drafts, but if they take Rossi they will have to worry about where he eventually fits with Nico Hischier and Jack Hughes, either next to one of them on a top-two line or as the No. 3 center. The franchise needs more high-end talent, regardless of position. New Jersey could be one of the teams that consider American defenseman Jake Sanderson at this spot as well, given the club’s penchant for drafting players from the USA Hockey National Team Development Program and need for a potential top-pairing defenseman.
Pronman’s take: Rossi is listed as a center, but NHL scouts think it’s possible he moves to the wing, which in an organization with Hughes and Hischier is a very reasonable path even though he can play center. In Rossi, the Devils get a projected all-situations top-line forward who plays the game a different way than Hughes or Hischier, in that he’s still very talented, but also a relentless worker.

8. Buffalo Sabres: Alexander Holtz, RW Djurgarden-SHL

9.Montreal Canadiens: Jake Sanderson, D, USNTDP-USHL

10. Chicago Blackhawks: Jack Quinn, RW, Ottawa-OHL

11. New Jersey Devils: Anton Lundell, C, HIFK-Liiga

Lundell is a tough player to project. I could see him slide to around No. 20, but I could see him go top 15 as I’m projecting here. He’s not an exciting player, but teams still give him credit for how he’s played at high levels of competition for years. I’ve heard scouts suggest goalie Yaroslavl Askarov to the Devils here, but I could see New Jersey valuing what Lundell has done so far in his career.

It would suck if the Devils miss out an Sanderson or Quinn. Hopefully they can move into the 10 slot if Montreal or Chicago wins the 2nd lottery.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

My ideal scenario moving fwd:

ARI lose and VAN lose while CHI and MON win, WIN wins the draft lottery. NJ gets 7 and 9 to play with next year while having two unprotected picks next year.

 

[Devils731]

I’d be very happy getting Rossi at 7.

There are guaranteed to be players I’d be very happy with at 7. The only way to bum me out would be if the team reached for a player I thought was a tier lower.

 

[JrFischer54]

I’m guessing the league needed buy in from the Leafs and Pens.

If you’re the Penguins and you were a basic shoe in for the playoffs but now you have to play a 5 game series where anything can happen to qualify you’re not very happy. You’re going to be even less happy if you lose.

A 5 game play in series after months of time off could end up with vet random results. To assuage the teams that may get screwed by losing they made the lottery round 2 odds flat.

The teams that actually took a hit were teams like Arizona or Montreal. They’d be better off long term with first overall than playoffs but ended up with worse overall odds in this current system.

i doubt they would've needed that much support from the "top teams" to pass draft lotto rules

 

[Jersey Fresh]

If we draft Rossi, I'm not sure which makes more sense, long-term moving him or Hughes to wing. Frankly, Hughes looked the worst all season when played at left-wing, so think the better move would be to keep Hughes at C. He's the higher-upside player, anyway.

I still can't get over the farce of this whole thing, though. If there's an upset in the play-in round and team like Pittsburgh or Edmonton gets Lafreniere, I will lose my shit. Might be the kick in the ass the league needs to actually reform the lottery odds.

 

[Better Call Sal]

He's very fun to watch with the puck.

 

[MartyOwns]

Here is Corey Pronman's mock in The Athletic:

1. Team Placeholder: Alexis Lafreniere, LW, Rimouski-QMJHL

2. Los Angeles Kings: Quinton Byfield, C, Sudbury-OHL

3. Ottawa Senators: Tim Stutzle, LW, Mannheim-DEL

4. Detroit Red Wings: Lucas Raymond, LW, Frolunda-SHL

5. Ottawa Senators: Cole Perfetti, C, Saginaw-OHL

6. Anaheim Ducks: Jamie Drysdale, D, Erie-OHL

7. New Jersey Devils: Marco Rossi, C, Ottawa-OHL

Corey Masisak: The reaction to this pick might be “of course” in some NHL circles because the Devils have drafted three prospects who played with Rossi on the 67s and traded for a fourth, but New Jersey should know as much about the Austrian forward as any team. Rossi is not tall, but he plays bigger than his height, and he’s one of the most skilled players in the draft. He led the OHL with 120 points this season.
The Devils have drafted a center in the first round in four of the past five drafts, but if they take Rossi they will have to worry about where he eventually fits with Nico Hischier and Jack Hughes, either next to one of them on a top-two line or as the No. 3 center. The franchise needs more high-end talent, regardless of position. New Jersey could be one of the teams that consider American defenseman Jake Sanderson at this spot as well, given the club’s penchant for drafting players from the USA Hockey National Team Development Program and need for a potential top-pairing defenseman.
Pronman’s take: Rossi is listed as a center, but NHL scouts think it’s possible he moves to the wing, which in an organization with Hughes and Hischier is a very reasonable path even though he can play center. In Rossi, the Devils get a projected all-situations top-line forward who plays the game a different way than Hughes or Hischier, in that he’s still very talented, but also a relentless worker.

8. Buffalo Sabres: Alexander Holtz, RW Djurgarden-SHL

9.Montreal Canadiens: Jake Sanderson, D, USNTDP-USHL

10. Chicago Blackhawks: Jack Quinn, RW, Ottawa-OHL

11. New Jersey Devils: Anton Lundell, C, HIFK-Liiga

Lundell is a tough player to project. I could see him slide to around No. 20, but I could see him go top 15 as I’m projecting here. He’s not an exciting player, but teams still give him credit for how he’s played at high levels of competition for years. I’ve heard scouts suggest goalie Yaroslavl Askarov to the Devils here, but I could see New Jersey valuing what Lundell has done so far in his career.

It would suck if the Devils miss out an Sanderson or Quinn. Hopefully they can move into the 10 slot if Montreal or Chicago wins the 2nd lottery.

yeah i wouldn’t be adverse to trying to trade up that hypothetical 11 spot to get sanderson. otherwise, i’m happy with askarov or lundell. we can’t really go wrong, walking out of the round with rossi + would be a pretty good day for the franchise.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Rossi, Perfetti, Holtz, or Raymond with our first pick. We’re gonna get a great prospect. Would be nice if Sanderson slipped and we could get him with our second pick. And if we end up with a third 1st rounder I hope it’s moved for a roster player.

 

[Rad Dude83]

#teamsanderson, or one of the swedes.

 

[Patrik26]

Especially since we don't have another pick until the 4th round.

Ouch.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Rossi, Perfetti, Holtz, or Raymond with our first pick. We’re gonna get a great prospect. Would be nice if Sanderson slipped and we could get him with our second pick. And if we end up with a third 1st rounder I hope it’s moved for a roster player.

Definitely slightly worried they reach for Sanderson at 7.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Definitely slightly worried they reach for Sanderson at 7.

I’d be happy to have him in the organization but oof that would be brutal to pass on one of the top forwards to take him. I would almost never take a defense first dman with a top 10 pick unless you see huge offensive potential. Based on the scouting reports would anyone be shocked if he turned into a rich man’s Mirco Mueller?