GDT: 2020 Free Agency Part II: Embrace the Grind

[The Kingslayer]

Hell of a deal. That kid was tremendous in the playoffs.

 

[UncleRisto]

The thing about these mock expansion drafts is no one, especially who makes them, knows enough about ALL the teams to protect the right players.

Yes many teams did that in the 2017 expansion draft.

Very stupidly.

 

[Hasbro]

The thing about these mock expansion drafts is no one, especially who makes them, knows enough about ALL the teams to protect the right players.

Very stupidly.

"Fool me once: shame on you. Stick a gun to my head: it's a different discussion."

For all the rumbling about how they learned from the Vegas XD debacle, all that got rendered moot with teams needing to dump with the flat cap. The Knights also provided a handy yardstick for asks to take on players.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Yeah the cap dump deals won’t go away. Teams should have learned from the give 2-3 players away to protect one kind of shenanigans.

 

[Balthazar]

The thing about these mock expansion drafts is no one, especially who makes them, knows enough about ALL the teams to protect the right players.

Yeah even those that know a bit about every team don't know enough for that kind of stuff.

The Hockey Guy on Youtube mock expansion draft is a good example of that:

(In blue are the players exposed in his opinion). Looks like he didn't know that Saad, Cole and Calvert will be UFA.

 

[Foppa2118]

The thing about these mock expansion drafts is no one, especially who makes them, knows enough about ALL the teams to protect the right players.

And in the real draft, so many selections are based on what other moves Seattle makes.

For instance, I'd take Graves over Compher right now in a vacuum, but maybe Seattle takes 2-3 other good defenseman better than Graves, and now they have to make sure they select enough forwards, so maybe they take Compher over Graves.

Same thing applies to forwards and goalies too. Maybe they pass on some guys because they've selected some good players at those positions already.

 

[Avsboy]

Yeah even those that know a bit about every team don't know enough for that kind of stuff.

The Hockey Guy on Youtube mock expansion draft is a good example of that:

(In blue are the players exposed in his opinion). Looks like he didn't know that Saad, Cole and Calvert will be UFA.

He also protects Compher. That's even more absurd.

 

[Foppa2118]

He also protects Compher. That's even more absurd.

At the expense of exposing Toews?

 

[Avsboy]

At the expense of exposing Toews?

Maybe I'm lost here, but forwards and D are different matters. The D is difficult to predict. If EJ doesn't waive, what happens?

 

[Foppa2118]

Maybe I'm lost here, but forwards and D are different matters. The D is difficult to predict. If EJ doesn't waive, what happens?

You go 8 and lose Burakovsky with only one year left, since they're unlikely to be able to afford to resign him. Toews will have three years left at a good price and they just traded for him.

MacK
Mikko
Landy
Kadri

EJ
Makar
Girard
Toews

Then you replace Burky with another winger via UFA or a deadline deal.

 

[Avsboy]

You go 8 and lose Burakovsky with only one year left, since they're unlikely to be able to afford to resign him. Toews will have three years left at a good price and they just traded for him.

MacK
Mikko
Landy
Kadri

EJ
Makar
Girard
Toews

Then you replace Burky with another winger via UFA or a deadline deal.

I like this, but with Landy they should agree to a handshake deal and add space for Bura

 

[Foppa2118]

I like this, but with Landy they should agree to a handshake deal and add space for Bura

And if they can get Landy to make a handshake deal and EJ to waive, they can protect four MORE forwards than the big four I listed if they want.

MacK
Mikko
Kadri
Burakovsky
Donskoi
Compher
Nichuskin

Makar
Girard
Toews

Landy (unsigned)
EJ (waived and goes unclaimed)

It's not a problem if they lose someone like Compher or Donskoi because they would probably like to shed one of their salaries anyway, but instead of losing them for free, they may be able to pick up some assets from a team looking to replace someone they lost to expansion.

 

[Balthazar]

They'll find a way to not protect EJ but that hypothetical handshake deal thing with Landy isn't realistic at all.

 

[McMetal]

They'll find a way to not protect EJ but that hypothetical handshake deal thing with Landy isn't realistic at all.

This. Never going to happen. It's a pure video game move that sounds good on paper but is so wildly unrealistic in he real world I don't ever see a team taking that completely unnecessary risk.

On the balance, would you rather just lose Compher or Graves for nothing, or POTENTIALLY lose your captain and first line winger for nothing? Just take the L and move on, we're losing a player no matter what, no reason to take that risk just to protect a random third liner instead.

 

[Hasbro]

Losing JTC or Graves also has the advantage of clearing a nice chunk of cap space. Better losing one of than than Jost.

 

[Richard88]

Losing JTC or Graves also has the advantage of clearing a nice chunk of cap space. Better losing one of than than Jost.

That assumes that Jost doesn't get a big pay rise next year.

 

[Hasbro]

That assumes that Jost doesn't get a big pay rise next year.

The cap squeeze will still be on next season, so that would assume a jump in production. Which is one of those problems you'd like to have.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

They better not be protecting EJ. Even a buyout looks fairly decent, 2M x 4 years.

The Avs will have cap issues every single season going forward. However, we will know how bad it is once Makar and Landeskog re-sign. Personally I expect the worst with Landy and that contract will become an anchor that everyone wants to dissapear sooner than later.

 

[SaltySkywalker]

I'm not necessarily saying it's the right move here, but if there was one player you could take that risk for, I'd assume it'd be Landy. He's our f***ing captain and I can't see any situation where he would actually want to leave. Obviously they'd have to feel pretty confident before making a move like that but I don't think it's that far of a reach.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yeah the only player I’d feel comfortable leaving a UFA to bypass would be Landy. He’s had his chances to leave where no one would’ve blamed him but he wanted to say. I’m not really sure what would tempt him to leave now when we’re one of the best teams in the league.

 

[SaltySkywalker]

Yeah the only player I’d feel comfortable leaving a UFA to bypass would be Landy. He’s had his chances to leave where no one would’ve blamed him but he wanted to say. I’m not really sure what would tempt him to leave now when we’re one of the best teams in the league.

Especially if we say, win the cup this year or get even further than the last two years, he's not going to want to go. He's our captain, he's going to get paid and by all accounts loves it here and the team.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

IMO, Joe will be sending prospects and/or picks to Seattle and have them take a guy of his choosing, and keep the guys he wants. It's the only answer that makes sense.

 

[CharlesPuck]

IMO, Joe will be sending prospects and/or picks to Seattle and have them take a guy of his choosing, and keep the guys he wants. It's the only answer that makes sense.

ahh so Vegas vs Seattle for the WCF the next few years.

 

[dmac7719]

IMO, Joe will be sending prospects and/or picks to Seattle and have them take a guy of his choosing, and keep the guys he wants. It's the only answer that makes sense.

So lose more assets on top of the asset that you already have to give up? Sakic, I believe, for the most part has set this up really well. He has internal options at both forward and defence that can (hopefully) replace whoever is taken.

 

[Perratrooper]

Hey I’d give up Compher and Graves to protect someone if that’s how things are going and Seattle has an interest in both of those players. Shedding $6.7 mil would go a long way helping our cap situation out.