NJ has a slightly better top line because the gap between Howe and Richard is bigger than the gap between Syd Howe and Paul Kariya. I realize Richard is the 2nd or 3rd best RW ever, but he's still well behind Gordie Howe. This would be like comparing Sidney Crosby or Jean Beliveau to Wayne Gretzky.
Pittsburgh has a more talented second line, but NJ's fits together better. I could have had a better LW than John LeClair, but I drafted him to fill a roll - to be the guy doing the dirty work for the lightning fast duo of Taylor-Kane. Your line relies on Forsberg for basically everything except scoring goals - the puck possession, the playmaking, the physical play, the defense (Malone helps a little with D). That's a lot to ask for a guy like Forsberg, who will be physically engaged by San Jose's defense whenever he's on the ice. Really, of all of San Jose's defenders, the only one who isn't very physical is Wentworth.
Well of course if you drop Doug Bentley to 3rd line C, he's a better overall player than Anze Kopitar - at least for now. (Is Kopitar on his way to a Dave Keonesque career? Anyway, he isn't there yet). Again, Kopitar was drafted for a specific role. NJ's 3rd line is our primary defensive line (the two-way Morenz line will also see a mix of offensive and defensive deployment). Bentley was a fine backchecker, but as a really small man, he's not going to be all that effective defending against Morenz, who was a fairly physical player himself.
Not that 4th lines matter that much, but I had to laugh when you said Tkachuk does everything Gillies does but better. Tkachuk does one thing better than Gillies - score goals. But yes, Tkachuk's advantage at scoring goals is big enough that I'd draft him over Gillies, at least for a scoring line. Other than that? Tkachuk was a very good fighter and cornerman, but Gillies was even better. Defensively, Gillies was very good, while Tkachuk was quite bad.
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-As I said, I personally think Sid is slightly better than Morenz but I understand if people call it a straight wash. I'll be posting an incredibly in depth side by side that makes it rather clear, especially when looking at the postseason. Morenz is a guy I think gets too much pomp because of the hyperbolic writing style that took place nearly 100 years ago. You, and others reading this know exactly what I mean.
His numbers do not, in any way, match the descriptions of him at the time. He was lauded as the Babe Ruth of hockey, relative to the sport and competition yet he only led the league a handful of times in major categories. Montreal didn't run roughshod over the league. Babe Ruth is insulted by professional writers making that comparison. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but Babe Ruth is pretty easily the greatest baseball player that ever lived, 150 years later. Morenz is nowhere near that level. He didn't even win the most Hart trophies of his era yet the Montreal media machine pushed the narrative he was miles better than everyone. I just don't see it.
To be clear, I'm not saying that he's vastly overrated. I would still put him around 20th all time, give or take a spot. It's just that when looking at the numbers, raw or adjusted, the awards voting, both pre and post AS recognition, he seems like somebody who gets a bit more mileage based on the writings of the time rather than the actual on ice results.
As for Howe and Richard, I was pretty clear that Howe enjoys a solid advantage here. But, unlike most teams, Pittsburgh is the one squad who has a 1RW that isn't blown out of the water head to head.
And Richard bests even Gordie as a postseason player with Sid and Syd being vastly better playoff performers vs Morenz and Kariya.
Pittsburgh just knocked off a team with Gretzky AND Harvey. If we can accomplish that, we can beat any star player or combo out there IMHO.
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-Why is your 2nd line a better fit?
You talk about Forsberg being called on to do heavy lifting in a few areas and I certainly don't disagree. BUT, the things he's being asked to do, were some of his biggest pluses as a player (being physical, being strong defensively, high end playmaking, etc).
It's also important to note that while you call out Forsberg one can look at San Jose's second line and and see bigger warts.
For example, who is going to be the defensive conscious on your 2nd line? Kane? Not at all. He's at least a slight liability defensively. I'd put LeClair in that ballpark as well, which leaves easily your best player, Taylor, having to shoulder the vast majority of defensive responsibility. Taylor is obviously a plus defensively but do you really want to have him doing that?
Forsberg was strong defensively, Malone was found to be at least solid and responsible in that area, which allows Forsberg to do more of what he's good at without having to second guess dashes into the corner or low in the zone.
As for overall fit?
I certainly don't see anything glaring about your line here, but
LeClair is a sloth compared to Taylor and Kane and I think that hurts them drastically in the transition game.
Pittsburgh has a pair of high end goal scorers, especially relative to a 2nd line role. But what's important to note, Malone and Hull have contrasting styles as goal scorers which only adds to the potency of the line.
Hull was more of a lurker, on the edge, perimeter guy who could find cracks and seams to snap/slap the puck at/into the net. He used his large frame to create space which he didn't need much of given his elite release and accuracy. Malone was more of a rugged, gritty goal scorer. He got a lot of goals with strong positioning, understanding where to go in the offensive zone. He's at his best scoring from in close. I think that makes the line harder to defend. And Forsberg, with his play making ability, vision and heavy style is the perfect C to maximize Hull/Malone's goal scoring prowess.
And again, it bears repeating, Blake can do all sorts of things with this lineup. I can slide Howe down, Tkachuk can grab a few shifts as the heavy cornerman for Forsberg. Bentley can slide up. There are numerous legit options the Prof's can use to keep San Jose or any team off balance.
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-Bentley moving down to the 3rd line for starters is a tactical decision that makes sense for numerous reasons. One, he's the stronger 2 way player to Malone, who is a much stronger offensive player which profiles well in a top 6 role and I think he fits better with Forsberg/Hull anyway in this series.
Again, you're overstating the physicality part when it comes to Morenz/Bentley IMO.
Being small is not a death knell as some people want to believe. You know what they said about Marty St Louis when he was 17/18? Far to small to make it in the NHL. And yet he's an easy HOF'er all these years later. Hockey history is littered with tiny players who went on to have HOF careers, Bentley being one of them.
I'd be more concerned if Morenz was some sort of lunatic hulk but he isn't, point blank. He's not that big either and while he could play a physical game it wasn't his calling card.
For a 3rd line, I prefer some one who is strong defensively but also possess the ability to make things happen going back the other way, because, traditionally scoring lines are weaker defensively and prone to giving up some chances.
I think many people tend to get caught up in having cookie cutter styles when it comes to shaping lines (not you to be clear).
Madden-Bentley-Alfredsson is a line that can absolutely play a strong brand of defensive hockey but also create counter attacks, even sustain some offensive pressure.
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-I agree, I got carried away with that assertion in regards to Tkachuk/Gillies. But make no mistake, Gillies is overrated. He benefited from playing on a dynasty (on a stacked line btw) whereas Tkachuk played his best years on a pretty average to awful team in Winnipeg/Arizona.
He was the teams best player (outperformed Selanne the few years he spent in Winnipeg). Yet despite that he led the league in goal scoring once and I don't think for one second the 6'2'' 235 lbs meathead Tkachuk would lose any sleep going toe to toe with Gillies. That's a heavyweight bout no doubt and I'm not going suggest that Tkachuk is winning the bulk of the scraps but he's not going to get floored over and over either.
Where did Gillies fall in the pecking order on those dynasty Islander teams? Potvin, Trottier, Bossy, Smith are easily over Clark.
Consider in 1981 Bob Bourne (76 points in 78 games) scored TWO fewer points vs Gillies (80 in 78).
Bourne scored more at even strength had 7 short handed goals and 9 SH points overall to Gillies 0 because he didn't play on the kill.
In 83 Bourne again outscored Gillies both in the regular season and postseason where Bourne led the entire Islanders team with 28 points on a Cup winner. In fact, Bourne outscored Gillies in 3 of the 4 Cup runs while playing multiple positions, killing a ton of penalties at a high rate and he didn't have the luxury of running with Trottier and Bossy.
How good defensively was Gillies? He never killed penalties as far as i know. He once had a 6th place Selke finish which probably had more to do with him finishing a +57 than anything because nowhere else does he fetch even token Selke votes.