2019-20 OUA Men's Hockey Thread

[MiamiHockey]

Yes, I know Waterloo is out, and that Western won the season series (who do you think posted that tweet on Waterloo's official Twitter account? ).

Buta,d earlier in the thread, the league changed the tiebreaking procedures this season, wherein reg/ot wins is the first tiebreaker, and H2H is second - even though every other league on the planet uses total wins as a second tiebreaker after ROW.

If Waterloo wins tomorrow and Western loses, it won't change anything - except it could be a bad look for the league, wherein a team with the same point total, same ROW, and more total wins will miss the playoffs.

If that all sounds like sour grapes, it is!

I actually think ROW is the appropriate tie-breaker, because it's the measure of team success during team play. Any wins in addition to ROW are from the Shootout, which is a gimmick.

So, no, it won't be a bad look for the league.

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

ROW is (and should be) the first tie-breaker....I don’t think anyone has an issue with that. But it is very strange head to head is the next tie-breaker over total wins.

 

[MiamiHockey]

ROW is (and should be) the first tie-breaker....I don’t think anyone has an issue with that. But it is very strange head to head is the next tie-breaker over total wins.

I much prefer Head-to-Head as the Tiebreaker. What better way to determine which team is more deserving than observing how they did against each other, especially when the schedule is imbalanced (as it is in the OUA)?

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

I much prefer Head-to-Head as the Tiebreaker. What better way to determine which team is more deserving than observing how they did against each other, especially when the schedule is imbalanced (as it is in the OUA)?

Good point re/ balanced schedule.

 

[Hollywood3]

How about points allowed in the formula?

After ROW and head-to-head, it would make sense. Say each team has 28 points. One team's opponents also had 28 points, and the other's had 30.

 

[hockeyinsiderusports]

Today will determine who gets who in oua east and west playoffs. Should be exciting final day

Waterloo/York/Nipissing/Laurentian are out.

OUA Playoffs
#1 Carleton vs # 8 RMC
This should be Carleton series win but RMC will give them all you can handle

 

[AdamMcg83]

Good point re/ balanced schedule.

Agreed that H2H might look like a better second tiebreaker because of the imbalanced schedule. But the imbalanced schedule can still be a factor in H2H: in this case, Western won the season series 2-1 over Waterloo...but Western had an extra home game.

I guess there's no foolproof way to break ties.

 

[MiamiHockey]

How about points allowed in the formula?

After ROW and head-to-head, it would make sense. Say each team has 28 points. One team's opponents also had 28 points, and the other's had 30.

This can be done by making Regulation Wins the Tiebreaker.

I agree that's a better Tiebreaker than ROW.

Even better than any of these would be to make games worth three points like they do in Europe (and, inexplicably, Canada West Women's Hockey).

The three point games reward Regulation Wins over Overtime Wins.

 

[MiamiHockey]

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Agreed that H2H might look like a better second tiebreaker because of the imbalanced schedule. But the imbalanced schedule can still be a factor in H2H: in this case, Western won the season series 2-1 over Waterloo...but Western had an extra home game.

I guess there's no foolproof way to break ties.

There's no perfect way indeed...
But at least if there was still a balanced schedule then everyone's record would be fairly comparable.

 

[AdamMcg83]

This can be done by making Regulation Wins the Tiebreaker.

I agree that's a better Tiebreaker than ROW.

Even better than any of these would be to make games worth three points like they do in Europe (and, inexplicably, Canada West Women's Hockey).

The three point games reward Regulation Wins over Overtime Wins.

OUA women use the three-pt system too. Far superior, imo.

 

[Lakeheadfan95]

I know we'll never see it but have 30 game schedule 2 games in division against teams and 1 game against teamsin the other conference

 

[MiamiHockey]

I know we'll never see it but have 30 game schedule 2 games in division against teams and 1 game against teamsin the other conference

That's the 28 game schedule.
10+(2x9)=28

 

[AdamMcg83]

That's the 28 game schedule.
10+(2x9)=28

That formula is far too much travel for the coaches to favour it - this isn't major junior, and these guys have too much going on in the classroom and off the ice to travel that much. This was the system that the coaches just went away from. Won't see it back any time soon, IMO.

 

[Hollywood3]

I am somewhat philosophical on this. Regular season schedules are never "equal" for everybody. Having 8 of 10 (even 6 of 10 for that matter) means that every team with a valid claim to represent the division/conference is included in the playoffs. Some conferences in the NCAA have a post-season tournament which includes all teams. In effect this heightens the regular season title. Often bids are granted to the conference's 1st overall team and to the tournament winner.

 

[hockeyinsiderusports]

Oua West 1st Rd
Toronto/Western
Ryerson/Lakehead
Guelph/Laurier
Windsor/Brock

East - 1st Rd
Carleton/Rmc
UQTR/Queens
/Uoit
/ Concordia

 

[hockeyinsiderusports]

Oua West 1st rd Predictions
Western over Toronto in 3
Ryerson over Lakehead in 2
Guelph over Laurier in 3
Brock over Windsor in 3


East 1st Rd
Carleton over RMC in 2
UQTR over Queens in 3
Ottawa over Uoit in 2
McGill over Concordia in 2

 

[RED ARMY EAST]

With Toronto's regular season, I would have to think that they get out of the OUA west.
In recent years, Ryerson has been nothing but dissapointment in the playoffs.
I think the top 4 OUA teams are:
Carelton
UQTR
McGill
Toronto

 

[hockeyinsiderusports]

Toronto in last 6 games is 2-4. I think there year ahead of schedule.

Western will give them a good go. I expect curse of 1st in West will continue.


As for Ryerson, I agree with disappointment statement but this year team seems different. (Better team chemistry). We shall see. Ottawa is better than McGill

My top 4 teams are
Carleton
UQTR
Guelph
Ryerson

 

[Lakeheadfan95]

Lakehead has always been killer at home in the playoffs i agree I think Ryerson will win but i think in 3

 

[Lakeheadfan95]

Also we beat Ryerson this year once and were one second away from tying the other game

 

[AdamMcg83]

Been broadcasting games in the OUA West for 10 seasons now, and this is about as wide-open as it's been - which is saying something, since it's always wide-open.
Six teams have a legitimate shot to get to Nationals. I don't see Toronto losing in round 1, but can see them having trouble in round 2.
I'll take Guelph to come out of the West, but not confidently.

 

[Lakeheadfan95]

Also potential suspensions last night as there was what seemed to be a fight at the end of the windsor toronto game

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

I hardly watch any of the OUA regular season, but I try to catch as much of the playoffs as possible (especially in the West) due to how much parity there is and the feeling any team can win. Like mentioned, upsets and chaos in the league playoffs might not be good with regards to the University Cup, but it’s a heck of a lot of fun to watch.

 

[MiamiHockey]

Predictions:

East:
Carleton over RMC in 3
Queens over UQTR in 3
Ottawa over UOIT in 3
Concordia over McGill in 3

East:
Western over Toronto in 2
Ryerson over Lakehead in 2
Guelph over Laurier in 2
Brock over Windsor in 3

I see Carleton and Guelph in the Queens Cup Final.

 

[Rob]

Predictions:

East:
Carleton over RMC in 3
Queens over UQTR in 3
Ottawa over UOIT in 3
Concordia over McGill in 3

East:
Western over Toronto in 2
Ryerson over Lakehead in 2
Guelph over Laurier in 2
Brock over Windsor in 3

I see Carleton and Guelph in the Queens Cup Final.

Haven't McGill and Concordia met three years in a row now?

I'm surprised to see at least two OUA posters pick Western over Toronto.