NFL: 2017 NFL Season News & Notes Discussion Thread (Bucs keep Koetter/GB signs Adams)

[What the Faulk]

Hopefully moving on now?

 

[tacogeoff]

Oh cam said something off to the media? nothing new. who cares. apology due for being an ass but not much else.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Cam Newton is without a doubt the most sexist man alive. Maybe the second after Hugh Hefner. Disgusting, absolutely unacceptable comments.

But I've never liked Cam. He plays like a little girl. Dancing and prancing after 1st downs like a fairy, a ballerina in some prissy play. That time in SB50 where he fumbled and then didn't leap into the dogpile immediately was a total b***h move. He should have been a real man and dove in headfirst. And his emotions after the game, well....I guess it was that time of the month LMAO.

But anyway, this settles it. Cam Newton is a sexist, and sexist comments have absolutely no place in polite, decent society. :shakeshead

Honestly, this is something worth thinking about.

NFL players are absolutely blasted with "BE A MAN!!!!" nonstop from the time they're old enough to put on pads. It's like military culture, absolutely 110% masculinity all day every day.

Cam Newton specifically has dealt with "BE A MAN!!!!" type criticism beyond what the average player faces. The Super Bowl non-dive, being unable to hide his emotions behind a cool exterior. Again, it's nonstop 24/7 for him. He doesn't get to to back to his office job after arguing about it for half an hour, it actively follows him around every minute of the day.

The NFL creates this culture of hyper-masculinity, then fuses it awkwardly with a marketing-minded culture of making sure that there's an empowered woman clearly visible at all times (as if this can coexist with roid-raging men and bimbo cheerleaders sharing the same picture). But you can't have a 1980s-style Manly Men culture AND a 2010s-style Girl Power culture in the same place at the same time. At some point, that unnatural fusion of contradictory cultures has to give way.

And as usual, Newton is a lightning rod for everything that people hate about everything. In this case, to take popular opinion as a whole, he's a sexist pig who needs to grow a pair. Just like how he's also an over-blown showboater who's not intense enough, and also a selfish me-first prima donna who should stop using his celebrity to highlight real-life causes.

 

[Tuggy]

Yes, poor Cam. Always the victim.

You Panther fans are too much.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

The Vikings officially placed Cook on IR and signed Stevan Ridley.


(trying to get things moving along here lol.)

 

[Avs_19]

The Vikings officially placed Cook on IR and signed Stevan Ridley.


(trying to get things moving along here lol.)

Yes, lets try to get back to actual football.

Soooooo Matt Kalil. Are things going as poorly as I'm reading and seeing in gifs, Panthers fans?

 

[John Price]

 

[What the Faulk]

Yes, lets try to get back to actual football.

Soooooo Matt Kalil. Are things going as poorly as I'm reading and seeing in gifs, Panthers fans?

He's very erratic. Some plays he'll be great and flash potential, other plays he'll miss completely and Cam has no chance. Ryan has missed every game but SF so it's hard to gauge the line as a whole, but they've held up well in about half the games they've played. He's looked better than Remmers, which isn't saying much, but the Minnesota line has generally looked good, so maybe it was a system thing, in which case the rest of the year could be an adventure.

I believe he's banged up right now (I don't think he practiced) so that has me nervous for an underrated Lions defense.

 

[What the Faulk]

Looks like Koo is finally out in SD.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yes, poor Cam. Always the victim.

You Panther fans are too much.

What about anything that anyone has said means he's a "victim"?

This isn't a Cam Newton thing, it's a football culture thing. Go into a locker room and tell me that the men in that room are encouraged to be respectful of women. Look at the sidelines of an NFL game and give me a ratio of how many clothed to half-clothed women are standing there. Look at the number of criminal charges filed against NCAA and NFL players for violence against women in the past year alone. But Cam Newton smirks at a woman when she asks a half-baked question, and that's where people choose to make a stand for women's dignity?

Oikos, which ran THIS COMMERCIAL (see last 10 seconds) has the audacity to say they can't have Cam Newton around anymore because he isn't respectful of women? Really?

That doesn't make him a victim, it just makes him a lightning rod.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

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They are just looking for someone more cultured.

 

[YEM]

They are just looking for someone more cultured.

youplait that well

 

[What the Faulk]

Hopefully moving on now?

Here's a little more on this

http://www.seahawks.com/news/2017/1...d-pete-carroll-thinks-it’s-“freaking-awesome”

 

[Bob Richards]

Hopefully moving on now?

I quietly wait for the first 6-1 game.

All glory to the scorigami

 

[What the Faulk]

I think a 4-4 tie is the holy grail, but I'll settle for anything with a 4 in it.

 

[What the Faulk]

Now can we move on?

 

[NJDevs26]

Panthers fans have a right to stick up for their QB and he has been more than critical of Cam. This story is WAY overblown and come on, none of us can argue with that, can we? "HOW DARE HE SAY THAT, SPREAD IT ALL OVER CNN AND ESPN AND CBS"

Well it was only one bad comment

I mean if you realized what the media is pushing off the news to talk about this, you will realize Cam's comment while stupid is really irrelevant in the whole spectrum of things. There's a whole lot of stuff going on recently in the news and this is just a blip on the radar.

It wasn't 'only one bad comment' if you believe the reporter that it got worse later when they talked after the presser. Cam's always been an arrogant boor, and his atitude was on video - that's why he got ripped. I get Carolina fans defending him I suppose but really this is what the NFL is now, we're fine with guys so long as they don't kill anyone and stand for the anthem!

 

[John Price]

It wasn't 'only one bad comment' if you believe the reporter that it got worse later when they talked after the presser. Cam's always been an arrogant boor, and his atitude was on video - that's why he got ripped. I get Carolina fans defending him I suppose but really this is what the NFL is now, we're fine with guys so long as they don't kill anyone and stand for the anthem!

Pfft that was so 3 days ago it's old news now

 

[What the Faulk]

It wasn't 'only one bad comment' if you believe the reporter that it got worse later when they talked after the presser. Cam's always been an arrogant boor, and his atitude was on video - that's why he got ripped. I get Carolina fans defending him I suppose but really this is what the NFL is now, we're fine with guys so long as they don't kill anyone and stand for the anthem!

See, this is exactly the problem right here. People coming in here, days after the relatively minor incident and apology, and still piling on without even reading the thread because they have to get their two cents in. In no way was Cam defended for what he said (and I ignored the first time we were called out, so I'm not responding to just you). All of us rightfully said what he did was unacceptable. What we also said was that doesn't define who he is and erase the rest of the good that he has done, which is a lot. Those things can coexist. Good people make mistakes. Second, the follow-up was posted in this thread, twice, and does not really support what Jourdan said in "making it worse". If anything, the follow-up was more of a reporter-hating thing than a woman-hating thing. Go read it yourself.

The NFL has a lot of problem children. If you think Cam is one of them, well, then I guess your priorities are kinda f***ed.

 

[Voight]

Now can we move on?

Hopefully he now grows up and learns how to handle press conferences.

 

[tacogeoff]

Wow. All that reporters racist tweets on Twitter from a few years ago came out.
Makes cam look like a choir boy, that was wrong in what he said mind you. But in the bigger picture an apology should suffice.

 

[Roboturner913]

Yeahhhhhh....did you actually read the supposed "racist" tweets? There were 2. One of them was about her dad telling racist jokes (not her, her dad) and the other one had the "N" word (the variant ending in the letter "A", which we've all seen turned into memes a thousand times, i.e., "Mah N***a") and was mostly unintelligible, but clearly weren't directed toward a black person, unless Dale Earnhardt suddenly became a black person.

It's a serious reach to call those tweets "racist" and pretty obviously somebody went digging to discredit her. I think it's a shame that she was essentially the target of workplace discrimination and ends up having to defend *herself* because of it. That's totally ass-backwards.

Cam's comments were dumb, no doubt - but they also came at a time when women's workplace equality has become a major talking point. Two years ago this would not be an issue. Ask yourself when was the first time you heard the words "mansplain" or "hepeat." These are terms that have become mainstream only recently as the bigger issue has become more prominent.

 

[What the Faulk]

Yeahhhhhh....did you actually read the supposed "racist" tweets? There were 2. One of them was about her dad telling racist jokes (not her, her dad) and the other one had the "N" word (the variant ending in the letter "A", which we've all seen turned into memes a thousand times, i.e., "Mah N***a") and was mostly unintelligible, but clearly weren't directed toward a black person, unless Dale Earnhardt suddenly became a black person.

It's a serious reach to call those tweets "racist" and pretty obviously somebody went digging to discredit her. I think it's a shame that she was essentially the target of workplace discrimination and ends up having to defend *herself* because of it. That's totally ass-backwards.

Cam's comments were dumb, no doubt - but they also came at a time when women's workplace equality has become a major talking point. Two years ago this would not be an issue. Ask yourself when was the first time you heard the words "mansplain" or "hepeat." These are terms that have become mainstream only recently as the bigger issue has become more prominent.

Just now, actually. Is that a thing? I prefer mansplain.

 

[Roboturner913]

"Hepeat" is when a woman has an idea in the workplace and everybody ignores it/thinks it's dumb, then later on a man brings up the same idea and everybody thinks its awesome. As I understand it, anyway.

 

[What the Faulk]

"Hepeat" is when a woman has an idea in the workplace and everybody ignores it/thinks it's dumb, then later on a man brings up the same idea and everybody thinks its awesome. As I understand it, anyway.

Makes sense. I've definitely heard of that happening a lot, I just never knew there was a term for it.