And plus theirs that stupid myth this goalie is good because he only played for a good team I'm so sick of that cause osgood should be in in the next couple years 401 wins 2:48 GAA less than two and a half goals that ain't bad and he had a real good save % when he retired above 900
I totally agree with you on that one..... Some goalies are treated as basically nothing more than a cardboard cutout sitting in front of the net while defense, system and scoring gets all the credit..... It drives me nuts....
There are two types of goalies IMO, one that is treated as a pylon and all his success is blamed on team success and then you have legit (and rightfully) star players such as Hasek that was indeed one of the best goalies of the 90's and perhaps even into the mid 00's who also happened to play on powerhouse teams, Ottawa wasn't that bad, Detroit was awesome and Hasek basically carried Buffalo for a few seasons...
I mean it's always nice to have a HOF goalie backing your defense, but at the same time it's not like Detroit (with Ozzy or Legace) would have had as much success as they did without them, so I find this whole "this team is so good the goalie should get no credit" absolute garbage.
Look if you're a top 12 goalie in the NHL for 5-10 seasons then obviously you're doing something right and are indeed contributing to the team.
The best part about my argument is that a lot of recent HOF goaltenders didn't have the best records either in Juniors (or their minor teams), so right there we can throw "its the team not the goalie" fallacy out the window, because a lot of great goalies played on some pretty terrible teams coming up in the sport and their numbers backed up the fact they played on terrible teams...