Pre-Game Talk: 2014 NHL Entry Draft - Part VI

[thefeebster]

Rankings

Bob McKenzie's Mid-Season Rankings: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9593
ISS March Rankings: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articl...anged-as-ekblad-tightens-grip-on-top-ranking/
McKeen's top 30: http://www.mckeenshockey.com/draft/
Hockey Prospect's February: http://www.hockeyprospect.com/2014-nhl-draft-rankings-february-top-60-nhl-prospects/
Craig Button's List (March): http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649
Central Scouting's Final Rankings: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=712854

Key Dates

Draft Lottery: April 15, 2014
NHL Combine: May 26-30, 2014
NHL Draft Day(s): June 27-28, 2014

Picks Available - 6th Overall Pending Draft Lottery

1st Round
2nd Round
3rd Round
5th Round
6th Round
7th Round

**4th Round Pick traded for Welsh/Dalpe

Old Draft threads: One; Two; Three; Four; Five​

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[canuck4life16]

winning the lottery would be great. It would really help the team moving forward

 

[BassMason]

winning the lottery would be great it would really help the team moving forward

I, as well, would like to win the lottery. It would help me greatly moving forward.

 

[thefeebster]

Virtanen also plays PK. Also defensive positioning is a coach able trait.

Watched one of his final games of the season, he looked good on the PK, had a few short handed chances too. I see some improvement there tbh.

Also made a beauty pass to Tambo too.

Some posters make it black and white, but i don't think that's the case when it comes to Virtanen and many others.

When linden was talking about playing "the right way" what do you guys think he was talking about.

I think that's what we are trying to interpret.

He said his vision is playing high IQ, defensive hockey and that offense will come from that. Couple that with the possible Aquilini agenda, i'm thinking its quite a difference from Gillis' vision. I agree with Bleach's initial interpretations from what we know right now.

But who knows, they could be touting another vision in the next 2 months. He's lied to us already Seriously though, its early and Linden didn't elaborate. He'll likely get a team1040 interview closer to the draft to give us more info, I hope.

 

[bsjezz]

I, as well, would like to win the lottery. It would help me greatly moving forward.

which begs the question: how open to investment in BCLC scratch-and-win tickets will linden be? i mean, if he's going to be taking punts on rookies he might as well take a punt at winning $200,000 as well. that could really help in the 'tortorella buyout' fund, not to mention contribute to the 'andrew alberts bonus fund for roster players who don't get to play."

 

[VC]

To me Linden was purposely vague for the simple fact that this has all seemingly came up quick and hasn't put that into focus. Its not a traditional hire with somebody coming in with something in mind. The plan will come to light with the new GM or whoever he starts to surround himself.

So far a case can be made for pretty for any the top 10 or 15. I'm starting to become partial to Ivan Barbashev and Kasperi Kapanen who are pictured in the OP. For me, Barbashev hits a little bit of every criteria.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Well best we can do now is 6th. Let's hope we slither into 6th and our scouts snag a shifty sinker named Sam in the draft!

(^Say it 10 times fast )

 

[me2]

When linden was talking about playing "the right way" what do you guys think he was talking about.

Probably just an empty statement to fill in a sound bite, but if I have to extend it based on the interview 2-way players.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Well best we can do now is 6th. Let's hope we slither into 6th and our scouts snag a shifty sinker named Sam in the draft!

I think 6th is going to be pretty impossible looking at the schedules of different teams. 7th I could see, but the Jets need to beat the Bruins tomorrow for any hope at 6th.

 

[canuck4life16]

if the team manage to get bottom 5 the increase chance of getting the lottery....but I wish the odds were more balance

what was the top 5 percentage in the old lottery system and how many time did the 5th place team win it?

 

[skyo]

Isn't it if the Flames win the rest of their games and the Canucks lose all of their games we could land 5th overall?

 

[canuck4life16]

Isn't it if the Flames win the rest of their games and the Canucks lose all of their games we could land 5th overall?

nope if flames win all winning game it be tie for ROW but we won the head to head series

 

[Wilch]

Between 6th and 8th overall, we have a 4%~6% chance to win the first overall.

 

[a Fool]

if the team manage to get bottom 5 the increase chance of getting the lottery....but I wish the odds were more balance

what was the top 5 percentage in the old lottery system and how many time did the 5th place team win it?

Not sure about the percentages for 2013 and prior. Since 2006 4/8 times the last place team won the draw. The exceptions were:

2006/07: 5th place Chicago wins and takes Kane 1st pick.
2010/11: 8th place NJ wins and picks 4th overall.
2011/12: 2nd place Edmonton wins and takes Yakupov 1st.
2012/13: 2nd place Colorado wins and takes MacKinnon 1st.

So only 1 time in 8 years did the 5th place team move up to no.1.

This year the % are:

1st - 25%
2nd - 18.8%
3rd - 14.2%
4th - 10.7%
5th - 8.1%
6th - 6.2%
7th - 4.7%
8th - 3.6%
9th - 2.7%
10th - 2.1%
11th+ - <1.5%

Winner will move up to 1st overall regardless of initial placement.

 

[canuck4life16]

Not sure about the percentages for 2013 and prior. Since 2006 4/8 times the last place team won the draw. The exceptions were:

2006/07: 5th place Chicago wins and takes Kane 1st pick.
2010/11: 8th place NJ wins and picks 4th overall.
2011/12: 2nd place Edmonton wins and takes Yakupov 1st.
2012/13: 2nd place Colorado wins and takes MacKinnon 1st.

So only 1 time in 8 years did the 5th place team move up to no.1.

This year the % are:

1st - 25%
2nd - 18.8%
3rd - 14.2%
4th - 10.7%
5th - 8.1%
6th - 6.2%
7th - 4.7%
8th - 3.6%
9th - 2.7%
10th - 2.1%
11th+ - <1.5%

Winner will move up to 1st overall regardless of initial placement.

so we have small chance of winning the lottery.....I mean 8th place devil won it in the old system which convert to 1st overall in the new system. It would be nice change if a team that never get 1st wins it

 

[SighReally]

Sorry but I need to ask the experts here something.

In 2013, Barkov scored 47 points in 48 games. In 2014, Kapanen scored 14 points in 47 games. What's the reason for this large discrepancy in points scored? Obviously I'm box score scouting but it seems that there's a large divide between the levels that Kapanen and Barkov are at and I'm actually astounded how Kapanen is projected to go 8-12 while Barkov went 2nd last year. Is Barkov a "generational" talent by his numbers in the league or is Kapanen underperforming or somewhere between the middle?

 

[huntison]

Canucks 1st overall would be a dream. Who would we pick. ?? Sam or Sam?

 

[StIllmatic]

Part 6 of a draft thread? Wow!

 

[tc 23]

Sorry but I need to ask the experts here something.

In 2013, Barkov scored 47 points in 48 games. In 2014, Kapanen scored 14 points in 47 games. What's the reason for this large discrepancy in points scored? Obviously I'm box score scouting but it seems that there's a large divide between the levels that Kapanen and Barkov are at and I'm actually astounded how Kapanen is projected to go 8-12 while Barkov went 2nd last year. Is Barkov a "generational" talent by his numbers in the league or is Kapanen underperforming or somewhere between the middle?

I'm far from an expert on European leagues, but Barkov went 2nd overall in a very deep draft (ahead of Drouin and Jones) for a reason. He was certainly an elite prospect going into the draft, despite receiving relatively little hype.

 

[canuck4life16]

Canucks 1st overall would be a dream. Who would we pick. ?? Sam or Sam?

Sam reinhart......BC boy great for PR........I think we could since the devil had won it as the 8th seed in the old system so with some luck we can

 

[bsjezz]

i haven't heard serious talk of kapanen inside the top 15

 

[Wilch]

Canucks 1st overall would be a dream. Who would we pick. ?? Sam or Sam?

Bennett over Reinhart, and not by much.

He would be hands down our best prospect since the Sedins, and bring a combination of speed, skills and offensive awareness that this team has not seen since prime Naslund.

 

[a Fool]

Sorry but I need to ask the experts here something.

In 2013, Barkov scored 47 points in 48 games. In 2014, Kapanen scored 14 points in 47 games. What's the reason for this large discrepancy in points scored? Obviously I'm box score scouting but it seems that there's a large divide between the levels that Kapanen and Barkov are at and I'm actually astounded how Kapanen is projected to go 8-12 while Barkov went 2nd last year. Is Barkov a "generational" talent by his numbers in the league or is Kapanen underperforming or somewhere between the middle?

Barkov is on a whole nother level from K. Kapanen. That being said Kasperi plays on the worst - and lowest scoring by a mile - team in the Finnish league.

If the Nux won the lottery I'd take Reinhart and give Bettman the double-whammy as I moonwalked down the podium.

 

[Hansen]

i haven't heard serious talk of kapanen inside the top 15

I would take him 9th (at the very highest). Feel like he'd be much more hyped were he in NA.

 

[26ozofwhiskey]

Assuming that Canucks pick 7th, and Reinhart/Ekblad/Bennett/Draisatl/Dal Colle/Nylander are gone, who do you like?

Ho-Sang? Virtanen? Perlini? It seems so wide open after the top 5 or 6 are gone.