2014-2015 General Wild Discussion Thread II (MOD WARNING POST #645)
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Jarick: Haula's line may have almost as many SOG as Koivu's, but that's with 2nd-tier competition at best, and with Koivu's line having possibly the worst possible winger for that kind of use. Same for the 1st line. It's a hell of a lot easier to generate offense when you have worse competition and you could even get more offense out of Koivu's line with more suitable personnel.
Haula has done zip to earn a promotion, he has not passed Koivu in any area. Therefore he doesn't get more TOI even if Vanek is out with him, which will then reduce Vanek's TOI too. I would only go there if there were no more options left (as in that he had already been tested with Granlund and Pominville), because the way I see it, it would be like admitting signing him was a mistake because he doesn't fit in. It should be a last resort, at least until Haula actually shows significant improvement.
Haula has done zip to earn a promotion, he has not passed Koivu in any area. Therefore he doesn't get more TOI even if Vanek is out with him, which will then reduce Vanek's TOI too. I would only go there if there were no more options left (as in that he had already been tested with Granlund and Pominville), because the way I see it, it would be like admitting signing him was a mistake because he doesn't fit in. It should be a last resort, at least until Haula actually shows significant improvement.
Nino Koivu Coyle
Parise Granlund Pominville
Vanek Haula Zucker
Cooke Brodziak Fontain
Suter Spurgeron
Brodin Dumba
Scandella Folin
PP1
Vanek Granlund Parise
Spurgeron/Folin Zucker
PP2
Pominville Koivu Nino
Dumba Suter/Brodin
Parise Granlund Pominville
Vanek Haula Zucker
Cooke Brodziak Fontain
Suter Spurgeron
Brodin Dumba
Scandella Folin
PP1
Vanek Granlund Parise
Spurgeron/Folin Zucker
PP2
Pominville Koivu Nino
Dumba Suter/Brodin
Jarick
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I never said Haula should get promoted, I was more thinking why we wouldn't bump him to the fourth line.
Another thing that occurred to me is that Coyle got a longer deal and more money than Nino while producing less offensively with better linemates and more PP time. That's a trend we're going to see continue, because they will want to justify that contract.
Dr Jan Itor
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He got more money because it was a longer deal. And it's marginally more at best. I don't really know how contracts translate and all, but if Coyle took $3.2m for 5 years, I have a hard time thinking that he would've gotten more than Nino if it was only a 3 year deal.
tomgilbertfan
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This was posted in the previous thread by someone else right before it closed, but it's worth re-posting.
The Wild's Jared Spurgeon: Big in stature if not in size
A few snippets:
The Wild's Jared Spurgeon: Big in stature if not in size
A few snippets:
Exactly. Nino's deal was a bridge deal. Like Granlund, nino expects to increase his production over the next few years and hit a home run with his next contract. It was a choice by nino, same reason that Granlund is seeking a shorter term deal.
Al Lagoon
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Another great article from Russo.
I've been very impressed with Spurgeon the last year or so - I recently nominated him as the most underrated NHLer (more than Pascal Dupuis), but he is so underrated, nobody responded.
Smart, smart player.
Still marvel that this kid is an NHL defenseman:
tomgilbertfan
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Another great article from Russo.
I've been very impressed with Spurgeon the last year or so - I recently nominated him as the most underrated NHLer (more than Pascal Dupuis), but he is so underrated, nobody responded.
Smart, smart player.
Still marvel that this kid is an NHL defenseman:
And that he has a 4 year old kid!
Victorious Secret
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Hey, our season finally is getting started for realz now... this time we have only 1 day off between games, then 1 day off before the one after, then it's no days off for the 3rd of those, then 1 day off after the back to back before the one after!
After such long breaks between games, we're not going to be able to breath anymore!
After such long breaks between games, we're not going to be able to breath anymore!
Victorious Secret
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Agreed. He's a perfect 4th line center. Just extremely overpaid for that role.
Al Lagoon
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Funny how the "we need to play our guys" rhetoric for Prosser and Ballard doesn't apply to Brodziak.
He must have shown up out of shape and made Harding break his foot or something.....
Edit: just saw the thread on the board - right on.
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I would rather see
Parise-Granlund-Poms
Vanek-Haula-Zucker
Nino-Koivu-Coyle
Cooke-Brodziak-Fontaine
That 2nd line has everything it needs to succeed IMO. 3rd line would be a damn force.
ThatGuy22
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The Koivu line would be the "2nd" line in that scenario. It would likely score more, play more and play against tougher competition. But I wouldn't be opposed to trying those lines.
Jarick
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Aside from a completely different scheme, put players who have the least amount of time under Yeo as possible? I'd like to see Vanek-Granlund-Parise out there with Spurgeon and Suter.
From the preseason game I went to (home against the blues), I think I remember Dumba being really active at the point on the PP. Could you put him on the left point with his right hand shot, have him cheat down and feed him one timers? Also could walk right from the point to the middle and take some shots or make some passes from a differnet angle.
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