I think a trade of Franson + 1st for Edmontons 7th overall is a fair trade we do not have to deal Reilly/Gardener and your not getting that pick with Liles..
I would even go as far as to say if we could do that deal assuming Monahan is gone we turn around and deal it to Columbus for 14th & 23rd or to Calgary 25th & 29th
I think a trade of Franson + 1st for Edmontons 7th overall is a fair trade we do not have to deal Reilly/Gardener and your not getting that pick with Liles..
I would even go as far as to say if we could do that deal assuming Monahan is gone we turn around and deal it to Columbus for 14th & 23rd or to Calgary 25th & 29th
I think a trade of Franson + 1st for Edmontons 7th overall is a fair trade we do not have to deal Reilly/Gardener and your not getting that pick with Liles..
I would even go as far as to say if we could do that deal assuming Monahan is gone we turn around and deal it to Columbus for 14th & 23rd or to Calgary 25th & 29th
What about Couturier....for 7th
If Edmonton cannot move up for Barkov and Monahan Lindhom our gone that leaves all of the D prospects for 7-11 to be picked...
They need help now as Katz & Mac T said in the year in Presser no more waiting on development hence Franson would step in and be top pairing
7th may not have what we want on board but Philly is desperate for D and Couturier is the centre we need..and Philly gets to draft the D they want with 2 picks..
If Edmonton cannot move up for Barkov and Monahan Lindhom our gone that leaves all of the D prospects for 7-11 to be picked...
They need help now as Katz & Mac T said in the year in Presser no more waiting on development hence Franson would step in and be top pairing
7th may not have what we want on board but Philly is desperate for D and Couturier is the centre we need..and Philly gets to draft the D they want with 2 picks..
If Edmonton cannot move up for Barkov and Monahan Lindhom our gone that leaves all of the D prospects for 7-11 to be picked...
They need help now as Katz & Mac T said in the year in Presser no more waiting on development hence Franson would step in and be top pairing
7th may not have what we want on board but Philly is desperate for D and Couturier is the centre we need..and Philly gets to draft the D they want with 2 picks..
A lot of moving parts.
If it were to happen. In the end - Franson + 21st for SC, is a great deal.
and you being a Leaf fan in Hawaii is pretty awesome in its own.
In terms of value perhaps, but the club turned a corner this season, and Franson's production was a big part. If the club wants to move forward, selling off parts (unless they know his future money expectations are a deal breaker) is a good way to fall off track. Especially when the thing you add has a strong chance of offering less immediate value (SC) then what you are subtracting. The Monahan deals are this in the extreme, because even if he does become a star quality player, that is years away. I have had enough of missing the playoffs, and so has the Leafs organization. Not going to happen.
IF they deal IMO, it will have to either be with assets that had no contribution to the playoff run: picks, prospects, maybe even Gardiner/Scrivens, or with assets that will return little except cap space: Grabo, Liles. I guess they might do a true hockey trade, but that would be swapping for reliable current value, and the Leafs are in position to add a bit to ensure the value of what they get. So perhaps Franson+ but only for another defensemen of similar age who is more physical and a bit better defensively. Hard to find, but they don't want to weaken their weakest area.
This is what I would also suggest. Either we're dealing auxiliary pieces in Gunnarson, Kulemin, Frattin, Fraser, or Scrivens, and/or picks and prospects not named Reilly, and possibly Gardiner for the right return, but surely not Franson, who is trending toward a true all-purpose top-pairing defender.
There are intriguing centre prospects available from 10th to 20th overall, and we'd be fine grabbing one of those too. However, I'd love to see us sell off some of the excess and grab late 1sts / a few 2nds this year, and take advantage of the top-60 in a deep draft.
Maybe that's what Nonis meant by "no one is untouchable."
Rielly doesn't get moved at all
Gardiner gets moved for a very good piece [not prospect back]
I could see Scrivens being moved, Fraser as well (to make room for d-men in the AHL), and apparently Kulemin is always been asked about but we're the team that says no.
Nonis said he didn't want to go the UFA route to hard, so chances will be done via trade. i think Calgary will be a dance partner, only because while they can argue "we can draft 3x in the first round, etc", their drafting (according to the SUN) isn't really good. they can rebuild through young people like us. Ditto, Edmonton. MAYBE Columbus.
This is what I would also suggest. Either we're dealing auxiliary pieces in Gunnarson, Kulemin, Frattin, Fraser, or Scrivens, and/or picks and prospects not named Reilly, and possibly Gardiner for the right return, but surely not Franson, who is trending toward a true all-purpose top-pairing defender.
There are intriguing centre prospects available from 10th to 20th overall, and we'd be fine grabbing one of those too. However, I'd love to see us sell off some of the excess and grab late 1sts / a few 2nds this year, and take advantage of the top-60 in a deep draft.
Columbus is also intriguing. Boone Jenner is a guy I really want in our system, but he's highly regarded in Columbus. I'd be willing to part with our 1st this year for a guy like Jenner, but I don't think Columbus would want to initiate that trade. Perhaps it takes something like:
Jake Gardiner
20th overall
for
Boone Jenner
15th overall
I know we're giving up a lot in Gardiner, but Jenner has the complete package IMO... we've all seen him play in the WJCs, and he stepped right into the AHL this spring with 4 pts in 5 games, and 5 pts in 8 playoff games. At 6'2" 204lbs, he has enough size to do what we need him to. Moving up 5 more spots in the draft means we can select Pulock or Zadorov to recuperate the loss of Jake.
Is it too much for us to give up? Are we not just better off keeping Gardiner and drafting Ht/Wt:6' 5"/210 lb Gauthier?
If I'm Columbus, do I think about this trade? Jenner's hard to give up but does the acquisition of Gardiner offset that?
Jenner is more of a 2nd/3rd line center. I think a player like Mike Richards is probably the best you can hope for. As much as I would love to have him, I'm not giving up Gardiner to get him.
I'm not sure I'd give up Gardiner in this trade either, but if Jenner is a 3rd. line center where does that place Biggs?
Jenner went to the AHL playoffs and has 2 goals 5 points in 8 games. Biggs got in 1 game.
Biggs is a 2nd/3rd liner too.
I think a trade of Franson + 1st for Edmontons 7th overall is a fair trade we do not have to deal Reilly/Gardener and your not getting that pick with Liles..
I would even go as far as to say if we could do that deal assuming Monahan is gone we turn around and deal it to Columbus for 14th & 23rd or to Calgary 25th & 29th
If Leafs trade a defenseman to Edmonton, it should be Dion, he's exactly what they need and would bring the greatest return.