2012 AAA Draft Signup Thread

[VanIslander]

I didn't like how the MLD ran 3.5 months (playoffs since mid-August?) and I don't like a clocked AAA, and now with no minimum era requirements? no signal that one should pay attention to all eras.

I think it's time for me finally, for the first time, to not participate in a AAA draft.

I'll go run a rec street hockey league for kids in my neighbourhood.

G'day.

 

[seventieslord]

I didn't like how the MLD ran 3.5 months (playoffs since mid-August?) and I don't like a clocked AAA, and now with no minimum era requirements? no signal that one should pay attention to all eras.

I think it's time for me finally, for the first time, to not participate in a AAA draft.

I'll go run a rec street hockey league for kids in my neighbourhood.

G'day.

I would have gone the other way as well.But that doesn't seem to be what the participants want. It's about what everyone wants, right? Not just one person?

You'll see - No one is going to ignore any era. They don't need a rule or quota to tell them to.

And the playoff threads were started September 5th...

 

[Michael Farkas]

I just assume era requirements were for new people, so no one ended up with an entire team of current players that were virtually indefensible. Given the rules, it doesn't really "prevent" much of anything though...I could sit here and draft the entire Winnipeg Jets or whatever basically and tack on a few spares from the old days at random...get my [butt] beat and that's it...

Given how these things work, I think anyone would be a fool to ignore them because once you have two drafts in a year with era requirements, it's almost a de facto requirement for the rest of the way because it didn't allow all the talent to be sucked out of an era before.

I don't care if you have era req's or not, because there's no reason not to draft a diverse team...though, I also believe if someone doesn't want to, they don't have to and whatever consequences come from that, come from it...

 

[Canadiens1958]

Educational Value

The draft concept has various educational aspects but the overall process is very flawed.

The actual draft process takes way too long with needless kibitzing. Combined these factors produce dropouts along the way. With ensuing replacement GMs the draft is diminished.

Voting takes forever. Still waiting for the MLD winner to be declared. So the experience slips into the who cares file.

 

[seventieslord]

The draft concept has various educational aspects but the overall process is very flawed.

The actual draft process takes way too long with needless kibitzing. Combined these factors produce dropouts along the way. With ensuing replacement GMs the draft is diminished.

This just sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining. No one wants to have to lose GMs but the guys we gained ended up contributing a lot more than the guys we lost, and that's not meant to disparage the guys we lost.

Voting takes forever. Still waiting for the MLD winner to be declared. So the experience slips into the who cares file.

 

[seventieslord]

I just assume era requirements were for new people, so no one ended up with an entire team of current players that were virtually indefensible. Given the rules, it doesn't really "prevent" much of anything though...I could sit here and draft the entire Winnipeg Jets or whatever basically and tack on a few spares from the old days at random...get my [butt] beat and that's it...

Right. You could have a whole team of modern guys, and another who retired in the last few years, another who retired within your adulthood, and just two you didn't personally see, if you really wanted.

If we truly wanted to eliminate that as a possibility, the era rules needed to get sharper teeth. It seems that most would rather just get rid of the rules, and that's fine too.

Given how these things work, I think anyone would be a fool to ignore them because once you have two drafts in a year with era requirements, it's almost a de facto requirement for the rest of the way because it didn't allow all the talent to be sucked out of an era before.

good point. Although the ATD doesn't have those rules - only the MLD does.

and I think that even without these rules, we're all pretty smart and take players reasonably proportionally by era. As soon as one era starts to get overrepresented, others will naturally start to look more attractive.

I don't care if you have era req's or not, because there's no reason not to draft a diverse team...though, I also believe if someone doesn't want to, they don't have to and whatever consequences come from that, come from it...

yep.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It might be informative to scan the previous years' roster threads and see how many early-era players ended up being stashed away as spares. That says something about their reasons for being drafted (obligation vs interest), the likelihood that they would be drafted in a league without requirements, and whether they're being researched aggressively enough to change their future value.

I really like the idea that this forum could stimulate game-changing research on some of these players, but within the framework of the game it's problematic to draft them even with the best of intentions. Era requirements at least ensure that they get attention, which is something, but don't solve the basic issue that "so-and-so was a fast skater and that's all we know" isn't very convincing of all time value.

 

[seventieslord]

It might be informative to scan the previous years' roster threads and see how many early-era players ended up being stashed away as spares. That says something about their reasons for being drafted (obligation vs interest), the likelihood that they would be drafted in a league without requirements, and whether they're being researched aggressively enough to change their future value.

I do watch out for that and I'm pretty sure it's not common at all.

I really like the idea that this forum could stimulate game-changing research on some of these players, but within the framework of the game it's problematic to draft them even with the best of intentions. Era requirements at least ensure that they get attention, which is something, but don't solve the basic issue that "so-and-so was a fast skater and that's all we know" isn't very convincing of all time value.

oh, there's no need for such pessimism. You know that we always have much more than that to go by.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

oh, there's no need for such pessimism. You know that we always have much more than that to go by.

I can think of 1 or 2 off the top of my head where the majority of what we know is "he was a really really fast skater." I drafted one of them myself before. Those are really, really early guys though and we usually have better info than that

 

[seventieslord]

I can think of 1 or 2 off the top of my head where the majority of what we know is "he was a really really fast skater." I drafted one of them myself before. Those are really, really early guys though and we usually have better info than that

OK, I admit, I know of one.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I do watch out for that and I'm pretty sure it's not common at all.

That's a good sign, then. If that's the case, era requirements shouldn't be so obtrusive. Clearly the picks are more than just throwaways to get into the playoffs.

I exaggerated with the "all we know is that he could skate fast" thing, but it's not that far off reality. The statistical records are so incomplete, and the competition levels so uneven, that for a lot of these guys the only things you can really prove are skills. Tough to make that work against players who have extensive statistical backing. It's a natural disadvantage for players from before, I dunno, the early 1920s or so.

 

[seventieslord]

That's a good sign, then. If that's the case, era requirements shouldn't be so obtrusive. Clearly the picks are more than just throwaways to get into the playoffs.

I exaggerated with the "all we know is that he could skate fast" thing, but it's not that far off reality. The statistical records are so incomplete, and the competition levels so uneven, that for a lot of these guys the only things you can really prove are skills. Tough to make that work against players who have extensive statistical backing. It's a natural disadvantage for players from before, I dunno, the early 1920s or so.

I agree it is a disadvantage, and in the case of a lack of info, unfortunately, that's probably how it has to be. I only want to take a guy based on how good I can reasonably assume he was. Less info adds to the uncertainty.

 

[seventieslord]

we're currently sitting at 9 entries. I'll send out a few PMs to get that to an even number by Friday.

 

[chaosrevolver]

So that is like the sixth PM I have been sent..so I will finally give in and use my all too familiar MLD name..

Belleville Bulls

 

[Dreakmur]

I agree it is a disadvantage, and in the case of a lack of info, unfortunately, that's probably how it has to be. I only want to take a guy based on how good I can reasonably assume he was. Less info adds to the uncertainty.

As I'm sure you've noticed, I like taking the mistery guys and digging to find the info. For a lot of the older guys, there is quite a lot of information to uncover if you really want to dig for it.

Sometimes it works out well, and sometimes it doesn't.

 

[Dreakmur]

So that is like the sixth PM I have been sent..so I will finally give in and use my all too familiar MLD name..

Belleville Bulls

Nice

 

[seventieslord]

As I'm sure you've noticed, I like taking the mistery guys and digging to find the info. For a lot of the older guys, there is quite a lot of information to uncover if you really want to dig for it.

Sometimes it works out well, and sometimes it doesn't.

You remind me of a young me. Before I had a kid. I have no choice but to be more conservative now!

 

[seventieslord]

Looks like I got BudsBuster back! Birmingham Barracudas.

We just need one more to make it 12.

 

[Dreakmur]

You remind me of a young me.

Aren't we the same age?

 

[seventieslord]

Aren't we the same age?

Yeah. Doesn't mean your attitude about research can't remind me of me three years ago!

 

[Hedberg]

Yeah. Doesn't mean your attitude about research can't remind me of me three years ago!

You've always reminded me of a older me

 

[seventieslord]

you've always reminded me of a older me

lol!

 

[seventieslord]

jeezus.... if we end up with 11 teams here, that will sure be an odd playoff... we'd have to do 6v11, 7v10, 8v9, and the winners face off against the top 5, who received byes.

 

[vecens24]

jeezus.... if we end up with 11 teams here, that will sure be an odd playoff... we'd have to do 6v11, 7v10, 8v9, and the winners face off against the top 5, who received byes.

Yup that's exactly how you do it. No divisions either.

 

[tony d]

Yeah, let's get this thing started. 11 teams is still a good number. We can figure out the playoff system after as well.