Speculation: 20% Into The Season

leeroggy

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Last night's game against Dallas certainly exposed our weaknesses and if the rest of the league can do to us what both Dallas in last night's game and Columbus in Game One we can forget about a deep playoff run.

Right now we stand 1 point outside the playoffs . . . sound familiar? There are plusses this year and minuses and not all of either were expected going in. But those two games really showed what types of teams we will struggle with all season with this roster as well as what is necessary to take the steps necessary to get to a legitimate contender. Also, now that the players are adapting to the new rules we can see who is benefitting and who is not. It looks like the number of the new slashing penalties is trending down rapidly, which is a good thing and the hooking penalties really never were a big issue since the league cracked down on those last year so you have to figure the rest of the year will see less penalties.

Both Dallas and Columbus have big teams that can hem us in the defensive zone and both are very good in stuffing the neutral zone against the breakout. Our offense loves to use the board to board pass in the neutral zone to try to get our receiving player a chance to get a head of steam going against more open ice but both of those teams take that away and that really hurts our transition game and forces us to try to stickhandle through too much. Those teams are the ones you need to adjust by chipping and chasing and hopefully getting pressure on a less mobile defense but we did not do much of that last night and in the first game of the season.

Not to panic too much on that . . . these teams are coached this way and not every team in the NHL can play it like they do and we only play Dallas one more time, but the film is there for all to see, and if I can see it so can other teams.

Another issue we have with playing these types of teams (big forwards who can skate fairly well) is that our defense is now our Achilles heel. There’s no getting around it. We have a lower #1 in Leddy, 2 lower middle pairings in Boychuck and DeHaan and everyone else right now has only proven to be bottom pairing quality at best, trying to play out of proper slotting. And a number of them are not comfortable making the play deep in our zone or under pressure and with the way our goalies are playing that is getting magnified.

And we can’t even blame the new rules for the defense’s struggles. We don’t take a lot of the ‘stick’ penalties on defense anyhow, and didn’t in the past. It’s all about the talent level on the back end. We got 14 shots on goal last night and I think the first game against Columbus we had a low number of shots too. Until we have more defensemen who can make a clean first transition pass, instead of struggling against the forecheck we have a ceiling as a team.

When you look at who has been the biggest beneficiary of the new rules you have to start with Barzal. His game is tailored made for these rules. Imagine the hacking he’d be taking on those lengthy rushes and the wide sweeping plays he makes in the offensive zone . . . he’d likely be on IR already under last year’s rules. The top line also has benefitted some. But the downside to the rules is that the two-way pluggers like Ladd, Chimera and Clutterbuck are less effective and likely to stay so. We’ve all noted how much better Ladd is skating this year but it looks to me that none of those three are clearly comfortable playing the forecheck because of the new rules.

Right now, better goalie play will help a lot but there’s a reason why Greiss was never really trusted as a starter in the NHL anywhere he’s been and Halak is the epitome of the high Beta stock you invest in and right now he does not look comfortable. But the better way to mask the goalie deficiency is to cut down on the open shots they are facing. We’ve seen way too many open shots from the slot this season and we were known for forcing the shots from the perimeter and wide before, so the shot quality given up needs to be a big focus too.

Thankfully the Power Play has gotten itself back to average statistically but there’s also the eye test and looking at Dallas last night and some of the other teams that move their players and the puck quicker we know there is still plenty of work to do. But our PK is not consistent yet either and that’s where the goalies really need to step up. Our two goalies rank 48th and 49th in Save percentage in the league right now!

Going forward

There’s going to be some tough choices to make and soon. We’ll put side the JT stuff for now as well as whether Ho-Sang should be up with the team right now (there’s arguments to be made on both sides of that one that are justifiable).

The biggest question we have right now is how do we upgrade the defense to where we have a group that can make transition to offense easier because that’s where we get the most bang for the buck in fixing the weaknesses as well as whether we seriously need to consider trading for a goalie. Keep the other team from hemming us in as well as players who don’t treat the puck like a grenade.

I hate to say it but if there is a way to upgrade on Boychuck to find either a more likely top line player or be able to move him to a second pairing we have to try to do so. His contract is above his performance right now and it won’t get better.

DeHaan looks to me to still be miffed with the contract situation and what was a strength at outlet passing is now not noticeable, partly because we keep changing his defense partner pretty much every game. If I can criticize the coaching staff in one thing it would be the constant revolving door with playing the defense. We have too many defenders who can’t distinguish themselves enough to be consistently in the lineup and that just hurts all of them. If we are letting DeHaan walk this summer we might as well move on and let Pulock and Pelech, when healthy, play together permanently.

Last night we saw why Hickey can not be relied on to be the type of player you can win with in the playoffs, he just can’t play against big forwards who forecheck. Time to move on there too.
So we have to really think about how to get another legit defenseman like what we saw in Dallas last night in Klingberg, who now leads all NHL defensemen in points.

A number of us have been on the main Trade board discussing OEL. If we can’t draft one we have to trade for one and it will hurt. But right now we have all the quantity and then some that we need, we don’t have quality and there are no Top pairing defenders in our system. You draft them or you trade for them.
Even though Pittsburgh has won Cups with a mediocre GROUP, we have no one who was of
Letang’s caliber. And Schultz produced just as well as Leddy did last year. And our goalies versus Murray and Fleury? Different zip codes.

I hope I’m wrong, but right now our ceiling as a team is pretty much right where it has been . . . grind for a playoff position, hope to win a round with a hot goalie . . . that’s about it. Because this team is imbalanced between the goal scoring skill we have versus the ability to feed those players from the back end.

Unless we are willing to bite the bullet and sacrifice some of our offensive skill to beef up the back end.
 

leeroggy

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Some more thoughts on balancing the team

In this day and age it not only helps to have some cheap young talent but also some cheap old talent and we've screwed the pooch badly on the latter.

When you look at this team and how it should be built it might well be worth looking to past success. Two scoring lines, a shut down line and a fourth line that can chip in a goal and be a place to hide older talent that can't play 15 minutes a game anymore.

This team should revolve around the current first line, assuming JT re-signs, Barzal, Eberle and Ladd (since we can't move him right now), Cizikas and Beauvillier for the shut down line and EVERYONE ELSE is expendable, including Ho-Sang and Nelson.

Look back at the last UFA class and tell me we couldn't fill in a fourth line with pretty cheap vets that would contribute. Bring them in on 1-year deals and if they work out give them another year. If they are shot, fine! Let them go. Maybe save one slot for a Dal Colle type intro to the league if need be. Just look at these signings and compare them to Clutterbuck and Kulemin and Chimera for cost and production:

Hartnell signed for $1 million
Vrbata signed for $2.5 million
Pouliot for $1,150,000
Cammallari for $1,000,000
Desharnais for $1,000,000

A decent 4th line for $ 4,000,000 approximately. Instead of nearly $10 million for the 3 I named above. Even Dominic Moore for $1,000,000 just to take faceoffs.

Which is one thing I missed above.

GET A FACEOFF SPECIALIST for the 4th line. Who also kills penalties. I don't care how effective he is, JT should NOT be killing penalties. I don't want him BLOCKING SHOTS . . .

That extra $6 million saved on the 4th line allows the space to upgrade the defense and goalie.

Goalies

Any of us see Malcolm Subban playing like he did before the injury? Or Oscar Dansk? When was the last time this team had an unsung hero in goal come through like that? Glen Healy? With all the goalies we've drafted can't ONE play well? How did Anders Nilsson suddenly get better after he left us? Yeesh. Dansk was an UFA that signed for $675,000!

Do we really know how to draft a goalie? Sorokin might never come here. Soderstrom better be the real deal or it's back to SQUARE ONE with goalies.

All right, enough for now . . .
 

Sheva7

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20% thru...this is what I've noticed...

The top 6 is very good....and the bottom 6 sucks ass.

Biggest need right now is a mobile, legit NHL quality centreman for the bottom 6.

Quine sucks, Nelson isn't a centre and Beau isn't anywhere near NHL ready. We need a centreman baddddd.

Also wouldn't hurt to bring up Ho-Sang and put Chimera & Seidenberg on waivers. Just sayin'.
 

mm11

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eeeeeh I don't know. This Isles team has a gear we have not seen for awhile. Will it translate to wins and playoff rounds? One does not know. There is an excitement to their play and at times it will be a fun season. Would like to see a mobile steady d-man (with some snarl) to add to our blue line . Easier said than done unfortunately. I do think we will compete for a playoff spot and maybe we can catch some Isles magic come spring time...
 

majormet

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It boils down to defense and goalies at this point. We do not have goalies that can win hockey games when the rest of the team is asleep, our only hope is if Gibson gets here because of injury and outplays the other 2.

Defense... you have to look at Hamonic's u-turn into horrific in 16/17 and not being able to replace that type of defenseman since then. The downturn of Hamonic was when the defensive decline started. Pelech is good and Pulock will be good.. CDH is the typical dman that is good for 1-2 years blocking shots and goes into the tank (see AMac, Girardi)... Hickey has to be at 150% percent to be mediocre on any given night, he is not NHL quality. Seidenberg is slow, although effective at times and smart. Mayfield is not very athletic and takes dumb penalties and is really a 6/7.

Best Isles can do to remedy defense would be to try out Toews or Vandesompe when opportunity arises and if there is a chance at a playoff run, make a deal at the deadline, but not sure for who.
 

Le Grec

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Top line is set, no need for changes...

2nd line of Ladd-Barzal-Eberle
shouldn't be touched for now...

4th line should have Chimera over Kulemin...

3rd line is the problem up front...
Beau is fine as C, but Nelson needs help, like JHS help, but he's not ready...and Quine, Prince, nor Kulemin are the answer...
So it's call up Josh or make a trade...

On D, my main concern is stability...

I would like to see Leddy, Boychuck, CDH, Pelech, Mayfield, and Pulock as regulars, no more shuffling!!!

Hickey and Seids are gone next year, no need to give them underserved playing time over kids who need experience...
Once they keep a consistent 6 playing, the they can decide if a change needs to be made...

Goaltending is what it is, there are no other options...
Just ride the hot one, stop rotating...

Also...
The PP setup is real dumb...

PP1 has 3 guys who like to pass, JT who passes and shoots, and Lee who is primarily a net front presence...

PP2 has 4 shooters and Beau...

Time to switch one around for balance, like Leddy for Pulock...

Imagine Pulock shooting with Lee in front...
 
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Strait2thecup

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I agree with mostly everything everyone has said here but I’d like to add we need more consistency from our captain. The numbers don’t tell the story of the season he’s had at all imo and he just has not had the presence on the ice we’ve seen over the past few years in most games. Like others have mentioned pulock and leddy need to be switched on the first unit. I’d give up a lot for a legit top four dman right now
 

SI90

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Ho-Sangs turnovers have been costly. Especially the one against Dallas last night when we were on the PP and he passes it right to the Dallas forward that resulted in a short handed goal
 

GrandmaSlices51631

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Goal tending is still trash and PP is too inconsistent.

I mean coming into the season most of us thought goaltending was a strength, but both guys have regressed
 

JeffNYI

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Ho-Sangs turnovers have been costly. Especially the one against Dallas last night when we were on the PP and he passes it right to the Dallas forward that resulted in a short handed goal

Not trying to call you out or anything, but I think you may be mistaken.

That goal was actually Dal Colle's fault.
 

Goombha

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No surprise people jump on the one mistake one of the best players on the team has made. If you haven't noticed, the D and back checking is atrocious.
 

YesCubed

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Top line has it's highs and lows. They're still very good together.

Barzal and Eberle are great. They finally have a legit 2nd line. Ladd hasn't been dragging them down either.

JHS needs to be up. Full stop. He makes Nelson a threat. If anything Beau should be sent down. Nelson + JHS gives them 3 legit scoring lines.

Chimera needs to be on the 4th line or not in the lineup at all. Clutterbuck should have been let go at the end of last season. Cizikas is the only NHL level player on the 4th line. Kulemin is a great PKer but doesn't bring much else. These types of players could all be found for a fraction of the price, yet they're being paid McDavid money (collectively).

I love Bailey more than anyone not named PK Cronin but I don't think he should be on the top PP unit. He is redundant on it. Put Pulock or Eberle there.

Leddy and Boychuk need to be split up, I think. They aren't very effective this year. I would do:
Leddy - Pulock
CDH - Boychuk
Pelech - Mayfield
Hickey

Goaltending obviously needs to be sharper but I don't think it's a huge problem.
 

Sparksrus3

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Ladd is making 7.5 mill this year in actual $$$$
20 percent is 1.5 mill for 6 points . WELL DONE !!

If and its a big if , but if JT leaves this loser will be captain
For 100 percent of the next 5 years

He made 8 mill last year.
 

Islanders4Cups

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Pretty big win tonight over St Louis following a bad loss in Dallas. I think it was well said on tonight’s broadcast, the Islanders will have an occasional stinker but respond the following game. Weight has to figure out how to avoid the stinkers now.
 

majormet

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Pretty big win tonight over St Louis following a bad loss in Dallas. I think it was well said on tonight’s broadcast, the Islanders will have an occasional stinker but respond the following game. Weight has to figure out how to avoid the stinkers now.

He needs to hide jersey #14 in the dumpster in the parking lot before the game to avoid the stinkers
 

Bood12

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Ho-Sangs turnovers have been costly. Especially the one against Dallas last night when we were on the PP and he passes it right to the Dallas forward that resulted in a short handed goal

Aho and Toews May have been on the ice too

literally was confused as f*** about your first post until I thankfully saw the second
 
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BelovedIsles

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Ho-Sangs turnovers have been costly. Especially the one against Dallas last night when we were on the PP and he passes it right to the Dallas forward that resulted in a short handed goal

Bridgeport played Dallas as well Friday night!? Bc I didn’t recall Ho Sang suiting up against the Stars.
 

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