Post-Game Talk: 2-0-0 better than 1-1-0. Jets win.

[Tom ServoMST3K]

I just think you have to put it into context...I keep reading Stuart is an anchor for Trouba, he kills offense, but who is our leader in plus/minus, Trouba. I think people tend to discount Stuart's effectiveness at breaking up rushes, by playing a tight gap, and physically dominating his opponent,including in front of the goalie, which seems to undervalued as a way of achieving puck possession. Enstrom's game, conversely,is more passive. He is good with the puck, when he has it. But he is easily our least physical defenseman. He put up good numbers with Myers to finish the season (though was our worst d-man in the playoffs), but was rather mediocre with Bogo, which inevitably leads to the question, who made who (better)? At what point does Toby get viewed as an anchor to Myers, who most would say is our clear #1? That's where i think Morrissey has the potential to be most effective, with development. Morrissey can not replace Stuart's bruising game, but with time (and patience) may become the same kind of steady player we need Toby to be.

But Stuart sucks at this?

always steps out of position forcing Trouba to make up.

Enstrom is our best D-man at breaking up rushes.

No way Stuart does this.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Second line had 17+ minutes. It just wasn't Schefele's line.

OK then that is a different issue.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

wow we dominated them!

The Perrault - Scheif - Ehlers line was good AND fun, apparently. Buff was as well, but that's usually a given. Never a dull moment with him, either good or bad.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The other thing to consider to is that these are road games, and therefore Mau can not dictate the matchups. He obviously has a comfort level with the defensive game of Little's line and Lowry's, and why not? At home I expect us to be able to match up all 4 of our lines, and probably no forward gets over 20 minutes, unless it is a penalty filled game.

True. He gains a measure of control if he never uses 1 or 2 lines.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Is that why Maurice was raving about Burmi being plus 4 against Boston
? One could argue Corsi is a useless stat because it does indicate shot quality, or take into account zone starts, and other variables to possession, and most importantly does not distinguish between scoring and being scored against.

Your Corsi argument would be completely different. It would be about flaws in an imperfect stat. +- is just completely useless. A terrible player can lead the league in that stat and a good one can be at the bottom. Next year they could meet in the middle. It is just meaningless.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

If you think +/- is a good stat, it isn't but:

just use Even strength goal differential instead.

 

[HPsauce]

Nicklas Lidstrom wasn't a very physical Dman either.

If people actually believe Stu is better than Enstrom... yikes.

Point is, if Enstrom gets muscled off the puck twice a game, Stu and Chairot are getting muscled off the puck 4 times a game. It's hockey, it happens. Toby moves the puck better than anyone.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

For Enstrom, hes been bad. He can play better then that and he will. Its just a poor stretch for him

 

[sipowicz]

Nicklas Lidstrom wasn't a very physical Dman either.

If people actually believe Stu is better than Enstrom... yikes.

Point is, if Enstrom gets muscled off the puck twice a game, Stu and Chairot are getting muscled off the puck 4 times a game. It's hockey, it happens. Toby moves the puck better than anyone.

Hate to nitpick but lately I'm seeing Enstrom muscled off every puck along the boards in the Jets end, you really didn't see that with him in his 2-3 seasons in Winnipeg.

 

[knorthern knight]

It's either noon or try to compete with Monday Night Football and pregame hype.

Also, it gives the Jets 30 hours between back-to-back starts, versus the normal 24 hours. In back-to-backs, every little bit helps.

 

[ATLbound]

Hate to nitpick but lately I'm seeing Enstrom muscled off every puck along the boards in the Jets end, you really didn't see that with him in his 2-3 seasons in Winnipeg.

No he use to do well for a small guy in puck battles. These 2 games I noticed he loses every puck battle along the boards. The playoffs was insanely bad as well. The ducks knew to put the puck in his corner and just push him around and take the puck. He was playing scared that series.

 

[truck]

No he use to do well for a small guy in puck battles. These 2 games I noticed he loses every puck battle along the boards. The playoffs was insanely bad as well. The ducks knew to put the puck in his corner and just push him around and take the puck. He was playing scared that series.

...yet his pairing was measurably the most effective at out-shooting.

I haven't noticed a substantial decline in effectiveness in this area, but I still see Toby moving the puck before a board battle is necessary and rarely turning the puck over. Avoiding dangerous situations is far more effective than creating dangerous for yourself and being marginally more effective thereafter.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Again +/- is a useless stat, and favors guys who pk but dont pp.

We haven't scored any SH goals yet and haven't given up any so there's no distortion there yet. We did score an EN goal which pumped up some of our +'s though.

 

[garret9]

We haven't scored any SH goals yet and haven't given up any so there's no distortion there yet. We did score an EN goal which pumped up some of our +'s though.

Corsi

 

[garret9]

Stuart is good at clearing the net and fighting for position in front.
He is not bad at breaking up the opponents cycle.
He is a good shot blocker.

Stuart is NOT good at breaking up rushes.
He has one of the worst percentage of rushes that turn into 2-on-1s for their partner. Poor Trouba.

 

[Derfel*]

Stuart is good at clearing the net and fighting for position in front.
He is not bad at breaking up the opponents cycle.
He is a good shot blocker.

Stuart is NOT good at breaking up rushes.
He has one of the worst percentage of rushes that turn into 2-on-1s for their partner. Poor Trouba.

So what you are saying is that he has value and should be retained?

 

[CorgisPer60]

I liked how, in the Boston game, Marchand tried dipsy-doodling around Stuart with a spinorama. Stu just pivoted and leveled him into the boards.

 

[winnipegger]

I have no problems with having Stuart on the 3rd pairing. I have huge problems with having Trouba on the 3rd pairing.

 

[Gm0ney]

I liked how, in the Boston game, Marchand tried dipsy-doodling around Stuart with a spinorama. Stu just pivoted and leveled him into the boards.

lol that was sweet. I hit rewind on that one a couple of times, I enjoyed it so much...

 

[meedle]

Must win, Isles are struggling abit and we need to keep up with everyone. Still only 1 loss vs central teams.

 

[StronGeer]

titrt

Edit: dang it... meant to put that in Isles pre-game.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Stuart is good at clearing the net and fighting for position in front.
He is not bad at breaking up the opponents cycle.
He is a good shot blocker.

Stuart is NOT good at breaking up rushes.
He has one of the worst percentage of rushes that turn into 2-on-1s for their partner. Poor Trouba.

Good defensemen rarely use this anymore. Good defensemen put themselves in proper position to box out/take away passing lanes. Waaay more effective.

Yes there are still scrambles out front but smart players can win those battles as well. The stereotypical "crease clearing" defenseman is a relic at this point. It's just not effective in today's game.

 

[Jetsetter]

Funny I didn't think Buff played all that well either.

 

[Duke749]

You want to trade our #1LD and wish upon a shining star that Morrissey, who wasn't close to making the team out of TC, can take his spot?

Yeh, this is starting to get kinda silly...

 

[Mathmew Purrrr Oh]

Good defensemen rarely use this anymore. Good defensemen put themselves in proper position to box out/take away passing lanes. Waaay more effective.

Yes there are still scrambles out front but smart players can win those battles as well. The stereotypical "crease clearing" defenseman is a relic at this point. It's just not effective in today's game.

"Take as many shots as you want from the slot, but don't come any closer or I might cross-check you in the back!"