1979-2017 - Teams "Carried" to the Stanley Cup Finals by Goaltending (GvE and TvE Analysis)

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The purpose of this thread is to provide two more lists based on the four-round era statistical record:

  • The worst scoring Stanley Cup Finalists through three rounds (GvE)
  • The playoff teams most reliant on a goaltending to advance to the Stanley Cup Finals (TvE)

To create these lists, I will be looking at performance vs. expectation. If you're unfamiliar with EvE, GvE, and TvE; explanations can be found on last week's thread that looked at 1968-2017 Stanley Cup Champions.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...y-cup-champions-gve-and-tve-analysis.2449867/

Essentially, GvE looks at Goals Scored vs. Expectation (a percentage of how many goals a team scores vs. what a league average team would be expected to score against the same opponent in the same number of minutes) while TvE looks at Threshold vs. Expectation (a percentage of how many goals a team can allow to have an even goal differential vs. what a league average team would be expected to allow against the same opponent while facing the same number of shots).

I will only be looking at GvE and TvE in this thread. GvE weighted each round by minutes will provide us with the first list: the worst scoring Stanley Cup Finalists (performance through three rounds, 1979-2017). TvE weighted each round by shots against will provide us with the second list: the teams most reliant on a goaltending performance to advance to the Stanley Cup Finals (performance through three rounds, 1979-2017).

Important caveats. While empty net goals are removed from the calculation of playoff goal support, they are not removed from the calculation of regular season shooting percentage. If there comes a point when regular season GF minus ENGs becomes more readily available, I will gladly tweak the calculation to reflect this data. As of now, this would require thumbing through every box score of every regular season game for every team since 1967. Also to the extent that shots allowed is affected by goaltending performance or occurring in the state of New Jersey, I have made no subjective adjustment.

Most important caveat. GvE and TvE look at the series as a whole, rather than a series of individual games in a race for four victories.

Mostest important caveat. Teams aren't actually "carried" to the Stanley Cup Finals. It takes a team effort to advance to the Stanley Cup Finals, though in some cases, teams have been more reliant upon goaltending than others.


Lowest Scoring Stanley Cup Finalists
Performance in Rounds 1-3
(Goals vs. Expectation, 1979-2017)


RankYearTeam1-3 GvER1 GvER2 GvER3 GvE
#11986Montreal74.5595.5457.4985.80
#21982Vancouver77.7673.4883.3875.06
#31985Philadelphia86.52107.4578.7482.23
#41993Montreal89.8484.13106.5183.59
#52002Carolina89.8665.47142.9463.74
#61997Detroit90.5877.6489.28104.68
#71984New York91.2069.35128.0978.56
#82003Anaheim92.9786.4595.8695.27
#92003New Jersey96.2378.4898.32106.67
#102004Calgary97.36102.2878.70110.16
#111989Montreal97.37117.5699.4381.21
#121986Calgary100.63105.7890.45108.41
#131987Philadelphia100.7390.1588.41125.14
#141996Florida100.79138.0088.3385.79
#151990Boston101.0799.17104.50100.15
#161994Vancouver101.63100.44110.6395.07
#172000Dallas102.13111.37120.0183.36
#182006Carolina102.7180.44119.93110.67
#192007Anaheim102.73101.40102.66103.82
#201982New York103.37104.49109.4093.48
#212012New Jersey103.8696.18114.07104.40
#221989Calgary103.90118.01127.4765.69
#231995New Jersey103.9398.0287.66123.20
#242011Vancouver104.2987.0186.41149.40
#251998Washington104.4088.77140.9193.30
#262014New York105.8497.7683.10141.45
#272006Edmonton106.46108.69102.11109.26
#282017Nashville106.79113.7598.51109.77
#292013Chicago107.39118.6396.13110.91
#301999Dallas108.6683.61103.53129.99
#312001Colorado109.01134.6981.03128.16
#321991Pittsburgh109.3992.43106.24131.75
#331988Boston110.03119.7296.19111.43
#342007Ottawa111.58129.43118.1389.45
#351990Edmonton112.7694.50140.89116.31
#362011Boston112.8188.00169.45105.77
#371992Pittsburgh113.3193.92123.01131.89
#382000New Jersey113.96122.3396.14124.46
#392015Chicago115.24120.67120.92108.02
#402015Tampa Bay115.3189.23118.87138.25
#411992Chicago115.46113.3789.48143.97
#421994New York117.03178.94130.6879.35
#432004Tampa Bay117.3986.23143.62124.69
#441987Edmonton117.40152.22121.0279.65
#451980Philadelphia117.5986.8083.71173.27
#462013Boston118.94113.61134.68109.00
#472010Chicago119.75103.61137.47117.45
#482001New Jersey120.67127.06120.22113.61
#491984Edmonton121.94132.66115.04126.17
#501999Buffalo124.13126.90127.02118.17
#511996Colorado124.19123.38111.47139.77
#522012Los Angeles125.8497.94184.64108.27
#532009Pittsburgh125.9592.82130.55170.03
#542009Detroit126.32165.7395.32141.84
#551988Edmonton126.37132.53117.91127.10
#562017Pittsburgh127.80173.53132.8591.57
#572016San Jose128.08136.38114.53139.30
#582008Pittsburgh128.25124.33124.65135.04
#591980New York128.27133.91125.09127.29
#602010Philadelphia128.48135.40131.59116.93
#611993Los Angeles128.48163.78118.92107.98
#621991Minnesota128.52147.53115.26121.30
#632014Los Angeles130.34144.72104.91141.20
#641995Detroit130.43125.24186.7796.39
#651981New York130.91147.74115.07142.39
#662016Pittsburgh131.76156.08115.14129.23
#671979New York133.48120.72169.49109.12
#681981Minnesota133.81184.58131.57109.83
#691997Philadelphia134.18111.59147.09143.60
#701998Detroit137.36150.08134.45127.86
#712002Detroit140.95136.59122.47156.95
#721985Edmonton145.9783.40123.39193.42
#731983New York149.86130.98133.60178.57
#742008Detroit153.56142.57213.31121.02
#751983Edmonton167.31115.10178.91191.64
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Teams Most Reliant on Goaltending to Advance to the Stanley Cup Finals
Performance in Rounds 1-3
(Threshold vs. Expectation, 1979-2017)


RankYearTeam1-3 TvER1 TvER2 TvER3 TvE
#12003Anaheim65.0453.0767.7577.09
#21993Montreal77.5264.3289.8484.67
#31996Florida78.65117.7758.4265.24
#41982Vancouver78.7465.2688.5577.29
#51998Washington82.1759.11118.4878.72
#62006Edmonton82.2570.25101.7379.22
#72004Calgary82.3088.4657.30105.02
#82002Carolina82.8754.49147.3859.45
#91986Montreal85.04101.4568.0094.72
#101985Philadelphia85.20110.6474.4478.59
#111994Vancouver85.2890.5783.5480.20
#122013Boston88.4578.23112.4578.32
#131984New York89.2569.97102.1396.66
#142003New Jersey91.7384.54111.7682.64
#152007Anaheim91.8382.53100.1092.15
#162017Nashville93.2099.5286.4294.82
#172015Chicago94.2495.1393.2993.92
#182000Dallas94.32126.63112.6864.45
#191999Buffalo95.0077.58109.8298.85
#202017Pittsburgh95.25106.0179.31103.18
#212011Vancouver95.7277.5187.90123.33
#221987Philadelphia96.3095.53100.9092.58
#231981Minnesota97.79125.6792.3186.07
#241997Detroit97.9389.2894.42111.71
#252011Boston98.6485.35122.9396.08
#262015Tampa Bay98.7295.0290.89109.32
#271992Pittsburgh98.9581.8888.03145.57
#281991Pittsburgh98.9985.2390.79124.82
#292014New York100.23108.6865.42137.63
#301993Los Angeles102.09125.9991.5989.39
#312001Colorado103.22173.5983.0188.54
#322004Tampa Bay103.8577.06132.59107.43
#331986Calgary103.99140.6074.94116.50
#342012Los Angeles105.1268.54155.42113.91
#351989Montreal105.81114.75103.7099.26
#362012New Jersey105.83114.59121.2982.98
#371980New York105.93169.4888.9584.80
#382016Pittsburgh106.16123.6980.17120.49
#391990Boston106.38108.8295.28117.89
#402010Chicago107.44112.76116.8089.33
#411996Colorado107.89134.2299.6091.60
#421999Dallas108.07123.2295.25112.31
#431980Philadelphia109.18107.6975.20141.56
#442013Chicago109.33134.8189.85111.63
#452006Carolina109.3492.06131.57109.93
#461990Edmonton109.8894.54117.77122.14
#472000New Jersey110.09103.94112.62112.13
#481979New York111.26109.69146.6876.08
#491995New Jersey111.36109.2382.87147.23
#502014Los Angeles113.49111.0897.14130.66
#512007Ottawa113.66145.01108.0992.32
#521982New York113.70127.49119.6790.26
#531998Detroit114.54155.77105.6884.18
#541984Edmonton115.37120.00105.65130.82
#551991Minnesota116.70131.4298.15123.88
#561983New York121.08113.25133.00116.57
#571988Boston122.33139.8984.67134.59
#581992Chicago123.63111.9383.51202.33
#591994New York124.51217.66145.8670.97
#602008Pittsburgh124.62119.72122.31131.30
#612009Detroit125.52166.49108.02118.31
#622009Pittsburgh126.2277.83153.81163.30
#631997Philadelphia126.56109.69124.99146.59
#642002Detroit126.65131.72104.85139.11
#651988Edmonton127.76151.40106.03120.55
#662016San Jose128.83141.26113.47141.21
#671989Calgary129.18131.12148.45109.67
#682010Philadelphia130.72127.44140.25119.69
#691985Edmonton139.3070.96120.54196.27
#702008Detroit142.53112.06209.73121.61
#711987Edmonton144.24191.33131.47101.54
#721983Edmonton151.60132.90158.83155.51
#732001New Jersey155.12183.47139.20146.30
#741981New York158.26189.44125.73184.46
#751995Detroit182.87166.67351.35108.26
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Reminder: none of the above charts is a reflection of goaltending performance itself - only the demand placed on the goaltenders relative to goal support and shots allowed (TvE).


The 1995 Detroit Red Wings placed the least amount of pressure on their goaltending in order to advance to the Stanley Cup Finals, in large part due to a Conference Semifinals series in which they scored 24 goals on the San Jose Sharks' goaltenders while allowing just 61 shots. This series ranked as the easiest threshold (vs. expectation) from a post-expansion Stanley Cup Finalist.

  • 351.35 - 1995 Detroit (vs. San Jose)
  • 217.66 - 1994 New York (vs. New York)
  • 202.33 - 1992 Chicago (vs. Edmonton)
  • 196.27 - 1985 Edmonton (vs. Chicago)
  • 191.33 - 1987 Edmonton (vs. Los Angeles)
  • 189.44 - 1981 New York (vs. Toronto)
  • 184.46 - 1981 New York (vs. New York)
  • 183.47 - 2001 New Jersey (vs. Carolina)
  • 173.59 - 2001 Colorado (vs. Vancouver)
  • 169.48 - 1980 New York (vs. Los Angeles)

The 2003 Mighty Ducks of Anaheim faced the most difficult threshold (vs. expectation) of any team on their way to the Stanley Cup Finals in the four-round era, as well as the most difficult single series. The 1996 Florida Panthers and 2002 Carolina Hurricanes had two series each that ranked among the top-10 most difficult thresholds, though in the case of the 2002 Carolina Hurricanes, their victory against the New Jersey Devils saw them win the series in spite of not reaching the threshold, getting outscored 11 goals to 9.

  • 53.07 - 2003 Anaheim (vs. Detroit)
  • 54.49 - 2002 Carolina (vs. New Jersey)
  • 57.30 - 2004 Calgary (vs. Detroit)
  • 58.42 - 1996 Florida (vs. Philadelphia)
  • 59.11 - 1998 Washington (vs. Boston)
  • 59.45 - 2002 Carolina (vs. Toronto)
  • 64.32 - 1993 Montreal (vs. Quebec)
  • 64.45 - 2000 Dallas (vs. Colorado)
  • 65.24 - 1996 Florida (vs. Pittsburgh)
  • 65.26 - 1982 Vancouver (vs. Calgary)

Of the teams that faced the top-10 most difficult thresholds (vs. expectation) on the way to the Stanley Cup Finals, only two went on to win the Stanley Cup: the 1986 Montreal Canadiens and 1993 Montreal Canadiens. For most Cinderella teams, the clock does indeed strike midnight.

Back-to-back Conference Quarterfinals from the Carolina Hurricanes and New Jersey Devils in 2001 and 2002 provide one of the top-10 easiest thresholds (in New Jersey's favor) and one of the top-10 most difficult thresholds (that Carolina needed to overcome).

The 2003 Stanley Cup Finals saw two of the ten lowest scoring Stanley Cup Finalists (vs. expectation) face each other.
 

quoipourquoi

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1999 Buffalo, 19th is a definite surprise.

They still had a tough theshold in Round 1, but it does mostly line up with a point I believe TDMM raised a few years back - Buffalo scored a lot of goals in the series they won in 1998 and 1999. Whether it would off-set the shots allowed and opponent strength was one of my curiosities coming into this.

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They still had a tough theshold in Round 1, but it does mostly line up with a point I believe TDMM raised a few years back - Buffalo scored a lot of goals in the series they won in 1998 and 1999. Whether it would off-set the shots allowed and opponent strength was one of my curiosities coming into this.

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An interesting sub study would be to look at the nature of the goals as opposed to the quantity. How many times in the 21 games did Buffalo score the first goal of the game, first two goals of the game?

Then extend the study from 1979 to date. Playing with the lead in the playoffs vs playing catch-up.
 

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I don't know if "goaltending" and "overall defense" are especially differentiated here. There seems to be at least one assumption at work that may not be very good. Either:

1) shots against are all of the same quality.
or
2) the quality of shots will even out over 10-20+ game sample sizes.

I have serious doubts about both of these assumptions.
 

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I don't manceknow if "goaltending" and "overall defense" are especially differentiated here. There seems to be at least one assumption at work that may not be very good. Either:

1) shots against are all of the same quality.
or
2) the quality of shots will even out over 10-20+ game sample sizes.


I have serious doubts about both of these assumptions.

This is true for all hockey SOG data available and goalie performance studies released to the public.

So the effort is in line with all previous efforts in this regard and the usual disclaimers apply.
 
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quoipourquoi

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I'm a little surprised to see the 2011 Bruins below the 2011 Canucks.

This is only looking at the first three rounds, and one of the Bruins' toughest thresholds to overcome was in Round 4 against the Canucks themselves. Overall, the Bruins had the 5th most difficult threshold for any Stanley Cup Champion from 1968-2017, but getting to the Finals might have been easier for their goaltending than necessarily winning the Finals.
 

quoipourquoi

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Amazing work Q. Just another metric that makes Patrick Roy look brilliant as a postseason performer.

Thanks! For clarification, this does not necessarily reflect on his performance - only the necessity of the level of performance he provided. The 1986 and 1993 Canadiens needed a goaltender to allow only 85.0% and 77.5% of what an average goaltender would be expected to allow in order to advance; Roy allowed just 60.3% and 54.3%.

At some point, I'll get the EvE tables (goaltender performance) back up. Everything is on a txt file, so it shouldn't take too much to do - just another day when I have nothing else going on!
 

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Thanks! For clarification, this does not necessarily reflect on his performance - only the necessity of the level of performance he provided. The 1986 and 1993 Canadiens needed a goaltender to allow only 85.0% and 77.5% of what an average goaltender would be expected to allow in order to advance; Roy allowed just 60.3% and 54.3%.

At some point, I'll get the EvE tables (goaltender performance) back up. Everything is on a txt file, so it shouldn't take too much to do - just another day when I have nothing else going on!

Oh, absolutely. It's an indirect connection but I'm not surprised to see the Montreal teams he took to the Finals as being very high on the list. It falls in line with Hockey Outsider's adjusted save % study which shines a bright light on Roy's brilliance.
 
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