100 Primary Points

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In hockey you need score AT LEAST one more goal than opposing team to WIN in a game. Minimum winning condition in a game of hockey is 1-0. Someone must physically do that. Ice ballet with a puck without scoring a goal would be nice to see, but it wouldn't be hockey.

Same apply to playoffs hockey. No disagreement here.

A team wherein are no goal scoring player(s) cannot ever win a single game (under normal conditions, not including out-of-hockey punishments and forfeits), and without a goal there are no guys to be awarded with 1st or 2nd assist either. In 100% of example cases that compose the entire historical data set of game statistics of the Game of Hockey. No disagreements here.

ADD: I can understand if people argue for things being bad or not good as they could be. I don't understand why anyone would argue against clear improvements in statistics of hockey, as if and when the game of hockey is about winning as a team, why anyone should even bother to count something like individual stats, including points. Answer to that is obvious, but it isn't that obvious why counting is continued to be made in way that doesn't allow better statistics for comparisons, even if and when this is what is widely desired goal and even more widely utilized mean for such things. If there are no need to statistically analyze a player in comparison to another, then there are no need for individual stats either. This clearly isn't the case, nor desire.

If someone got 100 points, it means that person participated in 100 goals.
 

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If someone got 100 points, it means that person participated in 100 goals.

More or less. Usually more. Sometimes a lot more (relatively).

With assists things go messy and inaccurate only because how they are awarded or not awarded. Then often there are also situations were a goal scorers actual contribution (measured in points) should be 2, not 1 as he de facto made 2nd pass before the goal, but got no credit for it (only 1 "contribution point"). Then there are uncredited touches that clearly impacted to a chance of incoming goal. There are also puckless plays that can be easily and objectively judged as critical factor for a goal following after/simultaneously, but by assist awarding criteria they aren't recognized. 3rd and 4th passes can some time be the key of oncoming goal, but regardless of circumstances they are never awarded. Sometimes 1st assist is just a play that occurred long time before actual goal scored, sometimes in way it has near zero meaning or role in the goal. And so forth.

It's not perfect system, but it could easily be much more. Separation of different point types should be a minimum level of future improvements. Every stuff that makes things in these things more transparent is very well welcomed.

For those who take a stance of "in defense of elite playmaker" I just note that such players are probably those who suffer from this current system most.
 

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More or less. Usually more. Sometimes a lot more (relatively).

With assists things go messy and inaccurate only because how they are awarded or not awarded. Then often there are also situations were a goal scorers actual contribution (measured in points) should be 2, not 1 as he de facto made 2nd pass before the goal, but got no credit for it (only 1 "contribution point"). Then there are uncredited touches that clearly impacted to a chance of incoming goal. There are also puckless plays that can be easily and objectively judged as critical factor for a goal following after/simultaneously, but by assist awarding criteria they aren't recognized. 3rd and 4th passes can some time be the key of oncoming goal, but regardless of circumstances they are never awarded. Sometimes 1st assist is just a play that occurred long time before actual goal scored, sometimes in way it has near zero meaning or role in the goal. And so forth.

It's not perfect system, but it could easily be much more. Separation of different point types should be a minimum level of future improvements. Every stuff that makes things in these things more transparent is very well welcomed.

For those who take a stance of "in defense of elite playmaker" I just note that such players are probably those who suffer from this current system most.

Never less. At least.
That's not the point. For people who get 100 points a season, one way or another, they're great hockey players regardless - and the tiebreaker between them is justifiably the Shiny Thingy; for players who get 30 points a year and might've been bumped by 5-6 accidental secondary assists the points total is rarely a factor.

And then there're offensive defensemen that are the main beneficiaries of secondary assists (especially the PP quarterbacks) - should we devalue their dispatching work?
 

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So this year, both McDavid and Draisaitl have comfortably cleared 100 primary points. Nobody else though. First time in the new NHL era since Ovechkin in 2007-2008.

Draisaitl has 109 (78 games) and McDavid is at 123 (80 games), 2 primary points away from being only behind Gretzky and Lemieux. Just as he has a shot to pass Yzerman in total points in a season, he has the same shot with primary points.

nameseasonprimary pointsgames playedgoalspoints
Wayne Gretzky1981-19821818092212
Wayne Gretzky1983-19841777487205
Wayne Gretzky1984-19851718073208
Wayne Gretzky1985-19861648052215
Wayne Gretzky1982-19831648071196
Mario Lemieux1988-19891557685199
Wayne Gretzky1986-19871547962183
Wayne Gretzky1980-19811298055164
Mario Lemieux1987-19881277770168
Mario Lemieux1995-19961257069161
Mario Lemieux1992-19931246069160
Steve Yzerman1988-19891248065155
Connor McDavid2022-20231238064151
Wayne Gretzky1990-19911227841163
Phil Esposito1970-19711227876152
Bernie Nicholls1988-19891217970150
Pat LaFontaine1992-19931218453148
Wayne Gretzky1988-19891207854168
Mike Bossy1981-19821178064147
Phil Esposito1973-19741177868145
Dennis Maruk1981-19821168060136
Wayne Gretzky1987-19881146440149
Marcel Dionne1979-19801138053137
Pierre Turgeon1992-19931138358132
Brett Hull1990-19911137886131
Mario Lemieux1985-19861127948141
Jaromir Jagr1995-19961118262149
Guy Lafleur1976-19771118056136
Peter Stastny1981-19821108046139
Steve Yzerman1992-19931108458137
Jari Kurri1984-19851107371135
Guy Lafleur1977-19781107860132
Kent Nilsson1980-19811108049131
Dale Hawerchuk1984-19851098053130
Leon Draisaitl2022-20231097851124

Karlsson for his part, at this point only has Coffey and Orr ahead of him in terms of primary points for 100 point defenseman seasons:

  • Paul Coffey 1985-1986 104
  • Bobby Orr 1970-1971 86
  • Paul Coffey 1988-1989 86
  • Bobby Orr 1974-1975 85
  • Paul Coffey 1983-1984 85
  • Bobby Orr 1969-1970 84
  • Bobby Orr 1973-1974 78
  • Paul Coffey 1984-1985 76
  • Bobby Orr 1971-1972 74
  • Paul Coffey 1989-1990 71
  • Bobby Orr 1972-1973 68
  • Erik Karlsson 2022-2023 67
  • Al MacInnis 1990-1991 64
  • Denis Potvin 1978-1979 63
  • Brian Leetch 1991-1992 62
 
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So McDavid does finish with 124 primary points. Draisaitl finishes with 112 primary points, and his 87.5% primary rate has got to be there among the highest among 100 point/100 primary point players.

Pastrnak and Rantanen were the next closest this year with 92 and 91 primary points.
 
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Interesting, so McD improved from
44 G, 49 A1, 30 A2
to
64G, 60 A1, 29 A2
from last season to this one.
20 G improvement and 11 A1 improvement vs no change in A2.
He was definitely driving scoring more and breakdown shows random nature of A2.
 

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So this year, both McDavid and Draisaitl have comfortably cleared 100 primary points. Nobody else though. First time in the new NHL era since Ovechkin in 2007-2008.

Draisaitl has 109 (78 games) and McDavid is at 123 (80 games), 2 primary points away from being only behind Gretzky and Lemieux. Just as he has a shot to pass Yzerman in total points in a season, he has the same shot with primary points.

nameseasonprimary pointsgames playedgoalspoints
Wayne Gretzky1981-19821818092212
Wayne Gretzky1983-19841777487205
Wayne Gretzky1984-19851718073208
Wayne Gretzky1985-19861648052215
Wayne Gretzky1982-19831648071196
Mario Lemieux1988-19891557685199
Wayne Gretzky1986-19871547962183
Wayne Gretzky1980-19811298055164
Mario Lemieux1987-19881277770168
Mario Lemieux1995-19961257069161
Mario Lemieux1992-19931246069160
Steve Yzerman1988-19891248065155
Connor McDavid2022-20231238064151
Wayne Gretzky1990-19911227841163
Phil Esposito1970-19711227876152
Bernie Nicholls1988-19891217970150
Pat LaFontaine1992-19931218453148
Wayne Gretzky1988-19891207854168
Mike Bossy1981-19821178064147
Phil Esposito1973-19741177868145
Dennis Maruk1981-19821168060136
Wayne Gretzky1987-19881146440149
Marcel Dionne1979-19801138053137
Pierre Turgeon1992-19931138358132
Brett Hull1990-19911137886131
Mario Lemieux1985-19861127948141
Jaromir Jagr1995-19961118262149
Guy Lafleur1976-19771118056136
Peter Stastny1981-19821108046139
Steve Yzerman1992-19931108458137
Jari Kurri1984-19851107371135
Guy Lafleur1977-19781107860132
Kent Nilsson1980-19811108049131
Dale Hawerchuk1984-19851098053130
Leon Draisaitl2022-20231097851124

Karlsson for his part, at this point only has Coffey and Orr ahead of him in terms of primary points for 100 point defenseman seasons:

  • Paul Coffey 1985-1986 104
  • Bobby Orr 1970-1971 86
  • Paul Coffey 1988-1989 86
  • Bobby Orr 1974-1975 85
  • Paul Coffey 1983-1984 85
  • Bobby Orr 1969-1970 84
  • Bobby Orr 1973-1974 78
  • Paul Coffey 1984-1985 76
  • Bobby Orr 1971-1972 74
  • Paul Coffey 1989-1990 71
  • Bobby Orr 1972-1973 68
  • Erik Karlsson 2022-2023 67
  • Al MacInnis 1990-1991 64
  • Denis Potvin 1978-1979 63
  • Brian Leetch 1991-1992 62
People don't realize just how insane 104 primary points for a defenseman is. That is mind boggling. Coffeys dominance is seriously underrated.
 

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Speaking of points, anybody tried to use ChatGPT Artificial Intelligence (https://chat.openai.com) to ask questions about points?
I did, here is Q/A
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Me: In NHL points are sum of goal, primary and secondary assists. What should be statistical weight for adjusted points to account for goals and assists values?

AI: In order to assign statistical weights to goals, primary assists, and secondary assists to calculate adjusted points in the NHL, we need to consider the relative contribution of each event to a team's success in scoring goals and winning games. Historically, goals have been considered the most significant contribution to a team's offense, while assists, both primary and secondary, are seen as supportive contributions. However, the exact statistical weights to be used can be a matter of debate and could depend on various factors, including the specific context and era of the game.

One common approach to determining statistical weights for adjusted points is to analyze historical data to understand the impact of goals, primary assists, and secondary assists on a team's ability to score goals and win games. Regression analysis and other statistical methods can be used to determine how much each event contributes to a team's offensive success.

While the exact weights may vary depending on the data and methodology used, a typical rule of thumb used in the past is:

- Goals: 1 point
- Primary Assists: 0.5 points
- Secondary Assists: 0.25 points

This implies that a goal is considered twice as valuable as a primary assist and four times as valuable as a secondary assist. However, it's essential to note that these weights are not set in stone and can be adjusted based on the specific analysis and objectives.

Additionally, some modern analytics might consider advanced metrics like Expected Goals (xG) and Expected Primary Assists (xPA) to further fine-tune the statistical weights, taking into account shot quality and other factors that can influence the likelihood of a goal being scored.

Ultimately, the choice of statistical weights for adjusted points should aim to capture the true offensive contributions of players accurately and fairly, and it should be based on sound statistical analysis and an understanding of the game's dynamics.

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This is actually the formula I use most of the time, I am impressed :yo:
 
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So two new additions the the 100 primary point club, Kucherov (106) and MacKinnon (101). McDavid (94) and Matthews (93) were next closest.

nameseasonprimary pointsgames playedgoalspoints
Wayne Gretzky1981-19821818092212
Wayne Gretzky1983-19841777487205
Wayne Gretzky1984-19851718073208
Wayne Gretzky1985-19861648052215
Wayne Gretzky1982-19831648071196
Mario Lemieux1988-19891557685199
Wayne Gretzky1986-19871547962183
Wayne Gretzky1980-19811298055164
Mario Lemieux1987-19881277770168
Mario Lemieux1995-19961257069161
Mario Lemieux1992-19931246069160
Steve Yzerman1988-19891248065155
Connor McDavid2022-20231248264153
Wayne Gretzky1990-19911227841163
Phil Esposito1970-19711227876152
Bernie Nicholls1988-19891217970150
Pat LaFontaine1992-19931218453148
Wayne Gretzky1988-19891207854168
Mike Bossy1981-19821178064147
Phil Esposito1973-19741177868145
Dennis Maruk1981-19821168060136
Wayne Gretzky1987-19881146440149
Marcel Dionne1979-19801138053137
Pierre Turgeon1992-19931138358132
Brett Hull1990-19911137886131
Mario Lemieux1985-19861127948141
Jaromir Jagr1995-19961118262149
Guy Lafleur1976-19771118056136
Peter Stastny1981-19821108046139
Steve Yzerman1992-19931108458137
Jari Kurri1984-19851107371135
Guy Lafleur1977-19781107860132
Kent Nilsson1980-19811108049131
Dale Hawerchuk1984-19851098053130
Leon Draisaitl2022-20231098052128
Phil Esposito1971-19721087666133
Jari Kurri1985-19861087868131
Denis Savard1987-19881078044131
Nikita Kucherov2023-20241068144144
Adam Oates1992-19931068445142
Teemu Selanne1992-19931068476132
Phil Esposito1972-19731067855130
Bryan Trottier1978-19791057647134
Alexander Mogilny1992-19931057776127
Mike Bossy1985-19861058061123
Michel Goulet1983-19841057556122
Paul Coffey1985-19861047948138
Mario Lemieux1991-19921046444131
Steve Yzerman1989-19901047962127
Wayne Gretzky1989-19901037340142
Phil Esposito1974-19751037961127
Phil Esposito1968-19691037449126
Marcel Dionne1980-19811028058135
Mike Bossy1978-19791028069126
Mike Bossy1984-19851027658117
Nathan MacKinnon2023-20241018251140
Marcel Dionne1978-19791018059130
Mark Messier1989-19901017945129
Jaromir Jagr2005-20061018254123
Mike Bossy1980-19811017968119
Alex Ovechkin2007-20081018265112
Wayne Gretzky1979-19801007951137
Guy Lafleur1979-19801007450125
Sergei Fedorov1993-19941008256120
Mike Bossy1982-19831007960118
 

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I have been wanting to gather all the boxscore data throughout the history of the NHL for a long time now but the data has never been readily available until recently. It is now available through the NHL statsapi but I hate computers and suck at using them (despite being a product manager in tech lolol) so gathering that data has been going slowly for me (if anyone knows how to wait for all asynchronous calls to complete before taking the next action in Swift please hit me up). What I have noticed is that there are enough games in many older seasons straight up missing in the NHL statsapi even now and it would be too tedious to manually get the missing data from newspapers or the Hockey Summary Project.

So I'm still waiting on getting all of the boxscore data but recently I checked out Hockey Reference and saw that they had expanded their scoring logs to the 1987-1988 season (before they only used to have scoring logs from the 2005-2006 season and then they put playoff scoring logs for seasons before that). This was super cool but I found something even cooler: you can get scoring logs for seasons even before 1987-1988 as all you have to do is change the season in the URL manually (Gordie Howe 1968-69 Scoring Log | Hockey-Reference.com). This works back to at least the 1968-1969 season for some players at least (I don't know if the data is complete or fully accurate before 1987-1988 but it seemed to check out in all the examples I used).

Now the scoring logs don't contain full boxscore data and it is against the terms of service to go and scrape the site so I can't use it for everything I had in mind but I did go through and check on something I had always wondered about: second assists affecting scoring.

There has been a lot of talk recently about second assists. Sometimes I think it would have been better if hockey awarded assists like basketball (the issues with subjective scorekeeping exist for other stats as well). While I do think that there are other factors to consider in drawing conclusions from points many of which may be more important (player role/team style/linemates/teammates/era/coaching/opponent factors/position) my guess is that primary points in general offer a better indication of direct offensive involvement than points alone just as points in general offer a better indication of direct offensive involvement than on ice goals for.

I ended up choosing 100 points as a benchmark (arbitrary but still a commonly used milestone) and checked the numbers of every player with a 100 point season.

This was done manually so there may be errors in transcription. Any corrections are appreciated.

Please note that I did not attempt to correct for any issues in actually granting assists. Sometimes assists are granted when they should not be (even though apparently it was technically not necessary to touch the puck to get an assist at least as late as 1992-1993 and maybe even later) and sometimes the scorers incorrectly award assists though recently it appears that the NHL fixes these issues more.

So here are the 100 primary point scorers:

nameseasonprimary pointsgames playedgoalspoints
Wayne Gretzky1981-19821818092212
Wayne Gretzky1983-19841777487205
Wayne Gretzky1984-19851718073208
Wayne Gretzky1985-19861648052215
Wayne Gretzky1982-19831648071196
Mario Lemieux1988-19891557685199
Wayne Gretzky1986-19871547962183
Wayne Gretzky1980-19811298055164
Mario Lemieux1987-19881277770168
Mario Lemieux1995-19961257069161
Mario Lemieux1992-19931246069160
Steve Yzerman1988-19891248065155
Wayne Gretzky1990-19911227841163
Phil Esposito1970-19711227876152
Bernie Nicholls1988-19891217970150
Pat LaFontaine1992-19931218453148
Wayne Gretzky1988-19891207854168
Mike Bossy1981-19821178064147
Phil Esposito1973-19741177868145
Dennis Maruk1981-19821168060136
Wayne Gretzky1987-19881146440149
Marcel Dionne1979-19801138053137
Pierre Turgeon1992-19931138358132
Brett Hull1990-19911137886131
Mario Lemieux1985-19861127948141
Jaromir Jagr1995-19961118262149
Guy Lafleur1976-19771118056136
Peter Stastny1981-19821108046139
Steve Yzerman1992-19931108458137
Jari Kurri1984-19851107371135
Guy Lafleur1977-19781107860132
Kent Nilsson1980-19811108049131
Dale Hawerchuk1984-19851098053130
Phil Esposito1971-19721087666133
Jari Kurri1985-19861087868131
Denis Savard1987-19881078044131
Adam Oates1992-19931068445142
Teemu Selanne1992-19931068476132
Phil Esposito1972-19731067855130
Bryan Trottier1978-19791057647134
Alexander Mogilny1992-19931057776127
Mike Bossy1985-19861058061123
Michel Goulet1983-19841057556122
Paul Coffey1985-19861047948138
Mario Lemieux1991-19921046444131
Steve Yzerman1989-19901047962127
Wayne Gretzky1989-19901037340142
Phil Esposito1974-19751037961127
Phil Esposito1968-19691037449126
Marcel Dionne1980-19811028058135
Mike Bossy1978-19791028069126
Mike Bossy1984-19851027658117
Marcel Dionne1978-19791018059130
Mark Messier1989-19901017945129
Jaromir Jagr2005-20061018254123
Mike Bossy1980-19811017968119
Alex Ovechkin2007-20081018265112
Wayne Gretzky1979-19801007951137
Guy Lafleur1979-19801007450125
Sergei Fedorov1993-19941008256120
Mike Bossy1982-19831007960118
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There are 27 players who had 61 100 primary point seasons (compared to 109 players who had 276 100 point seasons)

The first 100 primary point season was in 1968-1969 and the last in 2007-2008 (compared to the first 100 point season in 1968-69 and the last in 2017-2018)

There were no 100 primary point seasons in:
  • 1917-1918 to 1967-1968
  • 1969-1970
  • 1975-1976
  • 1994-1995
  • 1997-1998 to 2003-2004
  • 2006-2007
  • 2008-2009 to 2017-2018
(compared to no 100 point seasons in 1917-1918 to 1967-1968 / 1994-1995 / 1999-2000 / 2001-2002 / 2003-2004 / 2012-2013 / 2014-2015)

The season with the most number of 100 primary point seasons was 1992-1993 with 8 (compared to the most number of 100 point seasons being 1992-1993 with 21)

There are 9 players who had multiple 100 primary point seasons:
  • Wayne Gretzky 12
  • Mike Bossy 6
  • Phil Esposito 6
  • Mario Lemieux 6
  • Marcel Dionne 3
  • Guy Lafleur 3
  • Steve Yzerman 3
  • Jaromir Jagr 2
  • Jari Kurri 2
(compared to 58 players with multiple 100 point seasons)

Highest number of points in a season without it being a 100 primary point season:
  • Bobby Orr 1970-1971 139 points (86 primary points)
Lowest number of points in a season with it being a 100 primary point season:
  • Alex Ovechkin 2007-2008 112 points (101 primary points)
Players with all 100 point seasons also being 100 primary point seasons:
  • Phil Esposito 6
  • Dennis Maruk 1 (only player to hit 100 primary points and 100 points in just one season)
Players with the most 100 point seasons and no 100 primary point seasons:
  • Bobby Orr 6
  • Joe Sakic 6
Highest primary point percentage of 100 primary point seasons:
  • Alex Ovechkin 2007-2008 90.18% (only one to be over 90%)
Highest primary point percentage of 100 point seasons:
  • Alex Ovechkin 2007-2008 90.18% (only one to be over 90%)
Lowest primary point percentage of 100 primary point seasons:
  • Wayne Gretzky 1988-1989 71.43%
Lowest primary point percentage of 100 point seasons:
  • Mark Recchi 1990-1991 59.29% (only one to be less than 60%)
Highest first assist total:
  • Wayne Gretzky 1985-1986 113 (only player and season to have 100 primary points by just first assists compared to 3 players with 13 100 point seasons with 100 assists)
Lowest first assist total:
  • Brett Hull 1990-1991 27 (Brett Hull 1991-1992 had 18 first assists which is lowest among 100 point seasons)
Highest second assist total:
  • Wayne Gretzky 1985-1986 51 (Bobby Orr 1970-1971 had 53 second assists which is highest among 100 point seasons)
Lowest second assist total:
  • Alex Ovechkin 1985-1986 11 (Charlie Simmer 1980-1981 also had 11 second assists which is tied lowest among 100 point seasons)
Primary points among 100 point seasons by defensemen:
  • Paul Coffey 1985-1986 104 (only player and season to have 100 primary points as a defenseman)
  • Bobby Orr 1970-1971 86
  • Paul Coffey 1988-1989 86
  • Bobby Orr 1974-1975 85
  • Paul Coffey 1983-1984 85
  • Bobby Orr 1969-1970 84
  • Bobby Orr 1973-1974 78
  • Paul Coffey 1984-1985 76
  • Bobby Orr 1971-1972 74
  • Paul Coffey 1989-1990 71
  • Bobby Orr 1972-1973 68
  • Al MacInnis 1990-1991 64
  • Denis Potvin 1978-1979 63
  • Brian Leetch 1991-1992 62 (lowest primary points among 100 point seasons)
Just missed 100 primary points in a season:
  • Bryan Trottier 1981-1982 99
  • Joe Thornton 2005-2006 99
  • Mark Recchi 1992-1993 99
  • Mario Lemieux 1996-1997 99
  • Marcel Dionne 1974-1975 99
  • Brett Hull 1989-1990 99
Lowest primary points among 100 point seasons (forwards only):
  • Peter Forsberg 2002-2003 70
  • Sidney Crosby 2013-2014 70
  • Peter Stastny 1984-1985 70
  • Ron Francis 1992-1993 70
  • Jaromir Jagr 1997-1998 69
  • Doug Weight 1995-1996 68
  • Joe Juneau 1992-1993 68
  • Mark Recchi 1990-1991 67
  • Claude Giroux 2017-2018 67
  • Joe Sakic 2006-2007 65
Primary point scoring leader different than scoring leader:
  • 1974-1975: Phil Esposito (Bobby Orr)
  • 1989-1990: Steve Yzerman (Wayne Gretzky)
  • 1993-1994: Sergei Fedorov (Wayne Gretzky)
  • 2005-2006: Jaromir Jagr (Joe Thornton)
(these are the confirmed cases due to checking every 100 point season there are definitely others (2002-2003 / 2006-2007 / 2009-2010 are confirmed to have a different scoring leader but more players who did not score 100 points need to be checked to confirm who is the primary point scoring leader)
Nice work,
you missed Karlsson on 100 point defenseman.

Edit: my bad, didn’t notice the bump.
 

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