GDT: Zykov vs McDavid

tarheelhockey

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I don't remember the exact game....was it CBJ or TOR where Darling gave up 4 goals on 3 shots and we were outshooting the opposition 15 to 3 and Bill didn't pull Darling.....that's where I think people started tuning out Bill and Darling wasn't going to recover.

Maybe it was December ish?

What pissed me off the most was the 2-pointer that went in the net, bounced out, hit Darling in the butt, and went back in the net again.
 

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That was when I really started to sour on peters. Leaving him in those games wasn't just throwing those games away, it was mean. Darlings body language was screaming "pull me I have checked out" and he just left him in to be humiliated. It was mean to the rest of the team too, basically telling them you want them to lose no matter how they play today. And last night he talks to reporters about how the effort wasn't there, the whole team was flat, blah blah blah. No, the rest of the team showed up fine... you stuck a traffic cone in the net behind them and then your eyes going to say they were lazy? What a prick.
 

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That was when I really started to sour on peters. Leaving him in those games wasn't just throwing those games away, it was mean. Darlings body language was screaming "pull me I have checked out" and he just left him in to be humiliated. It was mean to the rest of the team too, basically telling them you want them to lose no matter how they play today. And last night he talks to reporters about how the effort wasn't there, the whole team was flat, blah blah blah. No, the rest of the team showed up fine... you stuck a traffic cone in the net behind them and then your eyes going to say they were lazy? What a prick.
Maybe in Petersworld he thought, well the game is already lost, at least here's some playing time for him to practice and regain his composure?
 

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That was when I really started to sour on peters. Leaving him in those games wasn't just throwing those games away, it was mean. Darlings body language was screaming "pull me I have checked out" and he just left him in to be humiliated. It was mean to the rest of the team too, basically telling them you want them to lose no matter how they play today. And last night he talks to reporters about how the effort wasn't there, the whole team was flat, blah blah blah. No, the rest of the team showed up fine... you stuck a traffic cone in the net behind them and then your eyes going to say they were lazy? What a prick.

I'd have a much bigger problem with him riding Cam Ward in this situation. Cam is 34, with a history of being overworked to the point of injury, and will likely be starting most of our games next season. Putting him out there in these circumstances accomplishes nothing for him or us.

Darling's a grown-ass man who's in the first year of a four-year deal, making over $4 million per. I don't care if he wants out of the net, and neither should you. He can stand in there and work himself back into a viable NHL goalie one save at a time. And if he can't make productive use of that opportunity, it gives us that much more certainty in the decision to cut bait ASAP.
 

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Part of the reason Ward has played so well this season is that all the pressure was removed from him mentally, and partly that he had long bouts of rest as the team tried square peg round hole that is Scott Darling and "starter".

We'll see if Dundon walks the walk re: money if he buys out or buries Darling. Talk is cheap, if Dundon really is talk, look for Darling to suddenly and inexplicably make improvements to his game, get white goalie pads, more confidence, "he was allergic to something in the ice no longer there", etc etc.

Anyway, Skinner had one shift were he looked like he gave a shat, it was after the PP goal to make it 3-2, otherwise he was mailing it in. It's nuts how he went from a near 40 goal season to this nonsense. Faulk cares, his decision making is horrid, partly poor IQ and partly trying to do too much. He needs to get better at skating, otherwise teams are just going to continue heavily forechecking him as he has no power to move the puck himself. Slavin played McDavid pretty well (again), Dahlbeck is still awful. 2nd goal was because Ryan can't receive a basic pass, 3rd because Faulk held on and got forechecked behind the net rather than pass it to a waiting Staal 5 feet away (who was open- the Oil were on a line change). That lateral movement on the Draisaitl one timer was awful by Darling, I still can't get over that. Zykov had one good shift, on the Draisaitl one timer he was busting his butt to play defense, he didn't look particularly slow, but he didn't engage on the boards like you'd hope. I want to see more of him, I'd say, "better player than Rask", but...who?

Williams has the right attitude and is busting his ass despite being on the downswing, but man...twice last night, right in front of my section, Williams had McGinn/Lindy sitting wide open in the slot waiting for a pass, Williams on the boards with the puck (this being the offensive zone). The Oiler is just waiting plaintively for McGinn/Lindy to whack it, they were open, is what I'm saying- and Williams doesn't see them. He does a couple switches, tries to one man it somewhere, God knows, and then loses it without ever seeing the guy wide open in the slot. One of the goals was on him, he pulled that same crap, then tried to pass it to a guy through an Oilers feet, it didn't work which led to a two on one. But he cares, and he's still decent enough that I'm fine with it. Skinner- the guy people wanted to be captain- has given up. Bill Peters, in the interview after the Philly lost, said that there are people on this team who care more than others, Skinner is not one of those players, sadly.
 
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I also think we need to see about a third of the players traded. They aren't all bad, but the mix isn't right.

I actually think a couple of key trades/acquisitions coupled with some non-signings does the trick.

I'd have a much bigger problem with him riding Cam Ward in this situation. Cam is 34, with a history of being overworked to the point of injury, and will likely be starting most of our games next season. Putting him out there in these circumstances accomplishes nothing for him or us.

This is where I differ a bit Tarheel....there was a stretch prior to the TDL where if we'd played Cam almost exclusively, maybe 6 or 8 games, we'd have likely fared better and there were lots of breaks in the schedule. I'd have ridden the shit out of him up to the TDL to see what type of record we could have manufactured....even if it was just a couple or 3 more games. Cam went 3-3-2 in Feb. and Darling went 1-3-1.

Perhaps it wouldn't have made any difference, but on Feb. 13 following the win against LA, the Canes were 4-2-1 for the month of February (both goalies finished out the month going 0-2-1). They ended the month 4-6-3. Despite all the talk about being a point or two out of the playoffs...for my money, the season was over right then and there after going 4-5-1 at home in that same month.
 

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This is where I differ a bit Tarheel....there was a stretch prior to the TDL where if we'd played Cam almost exclusively, maybe 6 or 8 games, we'd have likely fared better and there were lots of breaks in the schedule. I'd have ridden the **** out of him up to the TDL to see what type of record we could have manufactured....even if it was just a couple or 3 more games. Cam went 3-3-2 in Feb. and Darling went 1-3-1.

Perhaps it wouldn't have made any difference, but on Feb. 13 following the win against LA, the Canes were 4-2-1 for the month of February (both goalies finished out the month going 0-2-1). They ended the month 4-6-3. Despite all the talk about being a point or two out of the playoffs...for my money, the season was over right then and there after going 4-5-1 at home in that same month.

Oh yeah, I agree about earlier in the season while our window was still open.
 

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