Confirmed with Link: Zykov re-signs for two years

[A Star is Burns]

Canes Agree to Terms with Valentin Zykov

Good to have him cheaply in the fold. Hopefully he really breaks out.

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[Novacane]

2 year, 1-way contract

 

[Stickpucker]

If he can pot 15 goals that is a good contract. I'm surprised he didn't request some bonuses based on goals scored. 1m for breaking 20 goals?

I would like to see the NHL move from all the guaranteed deals to deals with low floors and lots of bonuses.

Ex Skinner.
2m base salary.
1m bonus 20g
1m more 30g
750k 25 assists
750k make playoffs
750k for 5 playoff goals
250k 5 or more SO goals
500k for 5 or more gwg.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

Great price!

 

[GoldiFox]

I like it all.

"Valentin is a big body who proved he had the ability to finish around the net on the AHL and NHL levels last season," said Waddell.

So important to this team.

 

[What the Faulk]

I mean, it's a good contract regardless. I think the days of worrying too much about one-way and two-way contracts for some of these tweener forwards are over. Especially with the cap and floor continuing to rise.

 

[NotOpie]

No mention of 1 way or 2 way....

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

League minimum salary in both years.

 

[sheriff bart]

League minimum salary in both years.

Cheap ass Dundon

 

[sheriff bart]

If he can pot 15 goals that is a good contract. I'm surprised he didn't request some bonuses based on goals scored. 1m for breaking 20 goals?

I would like to see the NHL move from all the guaranteed deals to deals with low floors and lots of bonuses.

Ex Skinner.
2m base salary.
1m bonus 20g
1m more 30g
750k 25 assists
750k make playoffs
750k for 5 playoff goals
250k 5 or more SO goals
500k for 5 or more gwg.

Tough to manage ice time and special teams when you have that going on. Guys extending shifts trying to make bank.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

League minimum salary in both years.

In exchange for a one-way. Makes big money whether he makes the team or not. Tough to say no to that, vs. a $900,000 on a two-way where if he has a tough camp he’s back down to $80k in Charlotte.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I'd say that's a smart contract by Carolina given he's played all of 10 games, but I'm surprised it wasn't for 1 year. If I was Zykov I'd want to roll the dice on a 1 year, play my ass off, and hope for a much better extension. I know next to nothing about how contracts work though, so that's just me talking out of my ass.

 

[What the Faulk]

I'd say that's a smart contract by Carolina given he's played all of 10 games, but I'm surprised it wasn't for 1 year. If I was Zykov I'd want to roll the dice on a 1 year, play my ass off, and hope for a much better extension. I know next to nothing about how contracts work though, so that's just me talking out of my ass.

Even if he scored 30, somehow, what's that turn into? 3-4M a year with term? Maybe? Now if he puts up 50 combined over the next two, he'll be in a much stronger position to ask for closer to 5. I think he wins in the long run, and Carolina will have a better understanding of what they're committing to next time negotiations roll around.

 

[Vagrant]

seems likely that the jumping off point for negotiations with zykov was a one way deal for next year and the canes pushed to make it 2 or 0. it seems like his side should have been more interested in a prove it contract. that second year is not congruent with his potential earning power overseas. both sides probably gave a little. it's a solid deal.

one thing that can't be understated is how much tougher this bottom six has gotten this season as compared to last year. martinook, ferland, zykov, mcginn... it's a dynamic we haven't had in a while to be able to ice some skilled grinders and not pick between skill or grinder. the days of calling up brendan woods and patrick brown for a little extra jam are done. the subtle rebuild of 3rd and 4th lines has been fantastic. not that zykov is the most in your face player ever, but he's certainly not afraid of the physicality required to score the dirty goals. plus, it will be encouraging to not see the team collectively skate away from bad hits like they didn't see them happen.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

In exchange for a one-way. Makes big money whether he makes the team or not. Tough to say no to that, vs. a $900,000 on a two-way where if he has a tough camp he’s back down to $80k in Charlotte.

He would have to clear waivers to go back to Charlotte. Considering what he did in the AHL and in his brief call-up in the NHL, I'm sure another team would give him a chance.

I was more surprised by the term. Zykov takes the low risk path and banks the money. Carolina takes on a little risk in search of a high reward.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

Even if he scored 30, somehow, what's that turn into? 3-4M a year with term? Maybe? Now if he puts up 50 combined over the next two, he'll be in a much stronger position to ask for closer to 5. I think he wins in the long run, and Carolina will have a better understanding of what they're committing to next time negotiations roll around.

What? That makes no sense at all. If he took a one-year deal and had a great year next year he could easily take another one-year deal for far more than $700k (given that he'd be arbitration eligible then), then cash in on a long term deal the next year. It's in the team's best interest to have him locked in for two years at a low price.

Even PDG got more than 700k this year lol.

 

[What the Faulk]

He would have to clear waivers to go back to Charlotte. Considering what he did in the AHL and in his brief call-up in the NHL, I'm sure another team would give him a chance.

I was more surprised by the term. Zykov takes the low risk path and banks the money. Carolina takes on a little risk in search of a high reward.

Oh wow, I hadn't seen that. Yeah, he'll definitely be here all year then.

 

[What the Faulk]

What? That makes no sense at all. If he took a one-year deal and had a great year next year he could easily take another one-year deal for far more than $700k (given that he'd be arbitration eligible then), then cash in on a long term deal the next year. It's in the team's best interest to have him locked in for two years at a low price.

I have a hard time seeing Carolina being interested in signing a young guy who just popped 25-30 to a one-year deal. This deal makes sense for both sides.

 

[tarheelhockey]

seems likely that the jumping off point for negotiations with zykov was a one way deal for next year and the canes pushed to make it 2 or 0. it seems like his side should have been more interested in a prove it contract. that second year is not congruent with his potential earning power overseas. both sides probably gave a little. it's a solid deal.

one thing that can't be understated is how much tougher this bottom six has gotten this season as compared to last year. martinook, ferland, zykov, mcginn... it's a dynamic we haven't had in a while to be able to ice some skilled grinders and not pick between skill or grinder. the days of calling up brendan woods and patrick brown for a little extra jam are done. the subtle rebuild of 3rd and 4th lines has been fantastic. not that zykov is the most in your face player ever, but he's certainly not afraid of the physicality required to score the dirty goals. plus, it will be encouraging to not see the team collectively skate away from bad hits like they didn't see them happen.

Good take, and I would add — Svechnikov is going to be an absolute bear to play against physically. He welcomes the contact and throws his weight around.

And it’s hard to imagine Rod Brind’Amour telling these guys to dial back the physicality.

This might be the most “hard to play against” team we’ve iced since 2009.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

I have a hard time seeing Carolina being interested in signing a young guy who just popped 25-30 to a one-year deal. This deal makes sense for both sides.

They really don't have a choice because of arbitration.

And remember that the baseline we're comparing it to is 700k. If Zykov scored 30 goals and said "I'll take 2.0M for one year" (Hoffman's contract that he got in arbitration a few years back) you think the team would really say no?

I don't see how it's a good thing from Zykov's perspective to be locked in at 700k for 19-20 if he scores 30 goals next year. You want to a be FA coming off that sort of year, not to be locked in at literally league minimum.

 

[What the Faulk]

They really don't have a choice because of arbitration.

And remember that the baseline we're comparing it to is 700k. If Zykov scored 30 goals and said "I'll take 2.0M for one year" (Hoffman's contract that he got in arbitration a few years back) you think the team would really say no?

I don't see how it's a good thing from Zykov's perspective to be locked in at 700k for 19-20 if he scores 30 goals next year.

I think they would push hard for term, and then reevaluate his long-term future here if he held tight for consecutive one-year deals.

This is a dumb conversation anyway. It's not what happened and I don't feel like arguing about it.

 

[sheriff bart]

The second "cheap" year bought the one way contract. No big deal. Nice job by the GMC (general manager committee)

 

[DaveG]

so, as of right now:
Aho - Necas - Turbo
Ferland - Staal - Svechnikov
Skinner - Rask - Williams
Zykov - Martinook - McGinn
PDG
callups: Wallmark, Foegele, Saarela, Kuokkanen, Roy, Goat

It's nice to have depth.

 

[Vagrant]

They really don't have a choice because of arbitration.

And remember that the baseline we're comparing it to is 700k. If Zykov scored 30 goals and said "I'll take 2.0M for one year" (Hoffman's contract that he got in arbitration a few years back) you think the team would really say no?

I don't see how it's a good thing from Zykov's perspective to be locked in at 700k for 19-20 if he scores 30 goals next year. You want to a be FA coming off that sort of year, not to be locked in at literally league minimum.

it seems pretty bad for zykov regardless of the outcome to be locked in for the second year. it's hard to think of an upside to forgoing your negotiating power for next offseason in a season where its projected to be somewhat sink or swim. it's hard to see the upside in success or failure. if he blows the doors off the thing, he's locked in at league minimum. if he sucks entirely, he's forced to honor the second year of his contract likely riding the bus in the ahl again with a contract the khl has to honor or suffer the "waiver for termination" phase. it seems decidedly like a team mandated second year in exchange for one way status. the younger and more unproven you are, the shorter you should want your contract to be unless you're being offered compensation equivalent to the risk of outperforming the deal. there is no such incentive here. they did a similar contract with brock mcginn by offering him the extra year, but even that one made a bit more sense.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Wallmark is another player that will no longer be exempt from waivers. I could see him getting claimed, given his position and AHL production, if he doesn't make the team out of camp.