Isn't the 1st round pick conditional?
@P10p honestly thought you were in the wrong thread. Don’t think any Pens fan cares about who is younger or if Galchenyuk will rebound. Those seems like things Wild fans would care about. Sorry if you actually meant to post it here. My reply probably wouldn’t change too much.
Yes, though from what I've seen reported, we'd have to implode pretty impressively for it to kick in.
That's what I thought. I thought I'd read somewhere that it's lottery protected, so if the Pens miss the playoffs and win the draft lottery, it becomes a 2021 1st instead.
As JR said. “You shouldn’t try to win every trade”. I like how he deals. It builds good business with other teams ala ANA.
It is the same rules than the Vegas draft.
The new team must select a player from each team (minus VGK): Seattle 2021 NHL Expansion Draft rules same as Golden Knights followed
We can protect either 7 forwards, 3 dmen and 1 goalie OR 8 skaters + 1 goalie.
So, yes, we can only lose one.
This is how I see it as well. I thought that maybe our 1st this year could have a chance to break in on the tail end of the window but Jake's injury put an end to that. So from here on out, we're pretty much "all in" when it comes to draft picks. Maybe we see a few deals similar to the Marino one where we move picks for more developed prospects. Beyond that I view anyone drafted from this point forward to be more of an asset than a prospect.We’re entering a window of drafts that will have almost no impact on the Sid-Geno era. Anyone we draft in the late 1st round (or later) is probably 3 years away from contributing in the nhl. What’s the Sid/Geno window at this point? 4 years, maybe? We’re already seeing some decline. If you can turn assets that won’t be a part of that window for assets that will be legit nhl contributors in that window, why wouldn’t you? You hope our 1st round pick or Addison become close to what Zucker is. We paid that cost to fast forward 7 years on the development.
I don’t know rational way to call that an overpay
That's dependant on what Seattle will want from the Pens to take the guy the Pens want them to.
Protection is best at the 7-3-1 format for the Pens. Unless, the Pens pay for them to take _?_ and which it doesn't matter. Like, giving them a smorgasbord of options is really not a good idea anyways.
7 forwards:
Crosby
Malkin
Guentzel
Rust
Zucker
Tanev
1 of McCann/Kahun
Defense:
They are set.
Letang
Dumo
Pettersson
Marino is auto protected already
Goaltender:
They have to trade out one or the other.
Murray/Jarry
What's left:
F: - Hornqvist, 1 of McCann/Kahun, Simon, Blueger, ZAR and a number of prospects
D: - Johnson, Riikola
G: - DeSmith
Now add they probably will add another forward and D-man over the next season and the Pens will be forced to trade away more than just a pick to protect who they want. Some teams gave up multiple picks, roster players and picks and even 1st rounders.
So, when you say just 1, yeah, they get just one to take, but could be given more to make sure they take what the Pens want them to take. The Pens were fine with giving up Fleury considering their depth, and a 2nd.
How much do you think it would cost for them to take Hornqvist or Johnson?
It won't be just 1 asset on top. The Pens could lose a considerable roster player and... On top of what they take.
Well, would you really give assets to protect a Kahun?
I think GMs learned from the Vegas draft. We won't see as much "bribing" this time around.
If they feel Kahun can give more than he has in the future, Yes. Kahun is only scratching the surface.
If you have quality assets, a lot of them, you will still see teams give up assets to protect who they feel are their future assets.
Well, would you really give assets to protect a Kahun?
I think GMs learned from the Vegas draft. We won't see as much "bribing" this time around.
Corona virus on the plane. 2 week quarantine.I’m pretty stoked to see Zucker tonight so he’s probably going to have his flight delayed due to bird **** accumulation.
I’m pretty stoked to see Zucker tonight so he’s probably going to have his flight delayed due to bird **** accumulation.
Well, would you really give assets to protect a Kahun?
I think GMs learned from the Vegas draft. We won't see as much "bribing" this time around.
That's dependant on what Seattle will want from the Pens to take the guy the Pens want them to.
Protection is best at the 7-3-1 format for the Pens. Unless, the Pens pay for them to take _?_ and which it doesn't matter. Like, giving them a smorgasbord of options is really not a good idea anyways.
7 forwards:
Crosby
Malkin
Guentzel
Rust
Zucker
Tanev
1 of McCann/Kahun
Defense:
They are set.
Letang
Dumo
Pettersson
Marino is auto protected already
Goaltender:
They have to trade out one or the other.
Murray/Jarry
What's left:
F: - Hornqvist, 1 of McCann/Kahun, Simon, Blueger, ZAR and a number of prospects
D: - Johnson, Riikola
G: - DeSmith
Now add they probably will add another forward and D-man over the next season and the Pens will be forced to trade away more than just a pick to protect who they want. Some teams gave up multiple picks, roster players and picks and even 1st rounders.
So, when you say just 1, yeah, they get just one to take, but could be given more to make sure they take what the Pens want them to take. The Pens were fine with giving up Fleury considering their depth, and a 2nd.
How much do you think it would cost for them to take Hornqvist or Johnson?
It won't be just 1 asset on top. The Pens could lose a considerable roster player and... On top of what they take.
Hornqvist has to be protected because of the no trade clause. So unfortunately we will be losing a very good forward at that time. Honestly that is a big reason I want to keep both goalies until then. We can protect the goalie we want and they will pick our goalie we don't protect. That way we don't lose McCann or Kahun.
I won't worry about that or anything because things change so fast. Look at this Pens team and how many new players are on the roster just in the past year. McCann, Bjugstad, Tanev, Kahun, Zucker, Pettersson, and Marino. Heck even Jarry was not on the team last year even though he saw a decent amount of time the year before. Literally 1/3 of the team is new from last year and that is when we are healthy and not counting the Lafferty's of the world.
Love the trade and the forward depth will be insane next year.
Zucker-Crosby-Kahun
Guentzel-Malkin-Rust
McCann/Simon-Bjugstad/McCann-Hornqvist
ZAR-Blueger-Tanev
Depending on if Rutherford believes Bjugstad or McCann is the 3C next year. If McCann is the 3C then Bjugstad is out and Simon is in. Let's win the Cup this year first.
Knowing that Sid, Malkin, Rust, Jake, Zucker (and Kahun?) will be apart of the top 6 for the next couple of years make me excited.
Love Tanev, but yeah, I'm not protecting him over two of McCann, Kahun and Blueger. Don't think the tail end of his contract will look too good, and the other three will just keep improving.