Rumor: Zetterberg's LTIR contract for Tyler Johnson

[BlueBaron]

I may be wrong but didn't Johnson clear waivers? Why would they give of up an asset (I know it's bizarre but an LTIR is an asset with value now) to get a guy they could have had for nothing? The question should be what is Tampa adding to TJ to move him or are they retaining.

Of course now we know they are safe for awhile but the day Kuch comes back they need to have something sorted out. I doubt he's out all season.

Detroit should get something with actual value for that contract.

 

[McJedi]

Hahah yeah, I know you guys think you'll strike it rich in this situation but history shows you'll likely be disappointed.

I don’t know. Missing Kucherov for an entire season wasn’t a painless way to get out of their cap situation. Dude is a pretty good hockey player to have on IR. They’ll miss him.

 

[JTBF81]

Losing Kuch hurts but Tampa is still the favorite in their division without him. The 4.5 months he'll have to recover/rehab should be enough to have him be a factor in round 1, or at the latest round 2. Tampa probably makes a small move like Paquette or perhaps still finds a trade for Killorn or Johnson and will be fine this season.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

The CBA allows Tampa to put a guy on long term IR for a season and come back for the playoffs. It’s within the rules. Interesting way to become cap compliant I don’t recall a single person ever mentioning this particular path. I guess it was bantered about with Stammer but not Kucherov.

Yeah, I'm familiar with the CBA/LTIR...the timing of it is kinda suspicious is all (not doubting the injury/severity) etc. Now CHI Alex Nylander on LTIR to miss the season, how convenient for all these teams.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Yeah, I'm familiar with the CBA/LTIR...the timing of it is kinda suspicious is all (not doubting the injury/severity) etc. Now CHI Alex Nylander on LTIR to miss the season, how convenient for all these teams.

No doubt hawks were in cap trouble with $5.2 million in space. Nylander’s $863k cap hit is a savior

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

No doubt hawks were in cap trouble with $5.2 million in space. Nylander’s $863k cap hit is a savior

Yep, they have 20 players, usually teams play with 23.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Yep, they have 20 players, usually teams play with 23.

Thank god for Nylander being down then

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Thank god for Nylander being down then

Down to 19 players is what you're thankful for?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Down to 19 players is what you're thankful for?

No that we circumvented the cap to get his huge salary off the books

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

No that we circumvented the cap to get his huge salary off the books

Once CHI is at a full 23 man roster, they'll be at/over the cap.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Once CHI is at a full 23 man roster, they'll be at/over the cap.

No they won’t.

 

[Rschmitz]

Thats not true, he would have gone to a few different West Coast teams and that was well documented. Just that San Jose was his first preference. Those teams didnt want him at his cap hit, just like no one wants Johnson at his. Tampa is incredibly limited in who can take that contract for that many years

What's your source? Here is one of many that I've found that says you are wrong.

Is there space for Patrick Marleau in San Jose?

 

[ShaneinTpa]

Yeah, I'm familiar with the CBA/LTIR...the timing of it is kinda suspicious is all (not doubting the injury/severity) etc. Now CHI Alex Nylander on LTIR to miss the season, how convenient for all these teams.

Realistically if anybody was going to try to pull a fast one here it would’ve been a lot easier just to have the player opt out for the season from Covid

 

[Curufinwe]

Realistically if anybody was going to try to pull a fast one here it would’ve been a lot easier just to have the player opt out for the season from Covid

Surprised I haven’t seen people whining about the Flyers circumventing the cap by making Niskanen retire.

 

[nbwingsfan]

What's your source? Here is one of many that I've found that says you are wrong.

Is there space for Patrick Marleau in San Jose?

Uhh where does it say that? It literally says its both rumoured he would waive to Colorado/LA/Arizona and rumoured he eould only go to San Jose... Im not sure you know what rumoured means

 

[datsyukfan]

Kinda sucks for teams like the wings that Tampa gets out of this with the LTIR but they are still going to be facing the same situation next year

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Kinda sucks for teams like the wings that Tampa gets out of this with the LTIR but they are still going to be facing the same situation next year

No it dosent

If putting Kucherov on the shelf for four months means Detroit dosent get shi..y old TJ, a 31st OA and some B level prospect, count your blessings

Tampa was never not going to go the LTIR route one way or another

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

No it dosent

If putting Kucherov on the shelf for four months means Detroit dosent get shi..y old TJ, a 31st OA and some B level prospect, count your blessings

Tampa was never not going to go the LTIR route one way or another

What good does Detroit's cap space do unless they can get some assets for it? Yzerman turned 2nd and 3rd round picks into Kucherov, Point, and Cirelli. I can't figure out why Detroit fans don't think a late first isn't very valuable.

 

[Hockeyfannnn91]

Realistically if anybody was going to try to pull a fast one here it would’ve been a lot easier just to have the player opt out for the season from Covid

Not really cause this way it allows them to return in the playoffs when it matters

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

What good does Detroit's cap space do unless they can get some assets for it? Yzerman turned 2nd and 3rd round picks into Kucherov, Point, and Cirelli. I can't figure out why Detroit fans don't think a late first isn't very valuable.

Please don't take this the wrong way, I certainly don't intend for it to be harsh, but if after reading 23 pages of this thread you still don't see why a late 1st is a very poor return for TJ dump, you probably never will "see it".

Also, it's not just DET fans who think so, but likely the majority of other NHL teams fans.

 

[ShaneinTpa]

Not really cause this way it allows them to return in the playoffs when it matters

For Kucherov you obviously wouldn’t but lesser players might. Either way it’s egregious to even consider

 

[BStinson]

Realistically if anybody was going to try to pull a fast one here it would’ve been a lot easier just to have the player opt out for the season from Covid

It would’ve been easier for the team but a player wants to maximize their earnings. I’d also imagine that a professional athlete should be competitive so they probably want to play.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

What good does Detroit's cap space do unless they can get some assets for it? Yzerman turned 2nd and 3rd round picks into Kucherov, Point, and Cirelli. I can't figure out why Detroit fans don't think a late first isn't very valuable.

The entire NHL publicly said TJ is not good, and did so when they past on him for free on waivers.

We can Spin Doctor it any number of ways but in the end, it's a fact.

Good on Tampa Bay

Thank god for Detroit

 

[Junohockeyfan]

What good does Detroit's cap space do unless they can get some assets for it? Yzerman turned 2nd and 3rd round picks into Kucherov, Point, and Cirelli. I can't figure out why Detroit fans don't think a late first isn't very valuable.

This is a very short sighted post. There are way too many years left in TJ’s awful contract. Detroit is better off signing better players / ufa’s on short term deals with the capspace and maintaining cap flexibility. They can flip players at the tdl for picks. A single late 1st is terrible asset management for a boat anchor contract and Yzerman of course knows that.

 

[Hockeyfannnn91]

For Kucherov you obviously wouldn’t but lesser players might. Either way it’s egregious to even consider

course it is