Sundin is better than modano.for me it comes down to the center, as Zetterberg is better than Elias and Alfredsson is better that Bert so IMO Modano is better than Sundin
Because it’s about peaks?Why is Big Bert with these guys? He was a solid power forward but never had the consistency.
Bertuzzi at his best is still clearly way behind everyone else on the list, save for maybe Elias but Patrik Elias was a big game guy who showed up when his team needed him.
This is a good question.
It's a bit dependent on whether we're talking about a one-night-only showdown, or building a team for a long stretch of games. Modano's career went in stages, so you're not getting his best offense and defense at the same time. Zetterberg and Elias get a big value boost from their versatility and position-switching, which wouldn't be evident in a single game.
One night only:
Sundin
Zetterberg
Modano
Bertuzzi
Alfredsson
Elias
Going into a full season with playoffs:
Sundin
Zetterberg
Elias
Modano
Alfredsson
Bertuzzi
So maybe a slight edge to Zetterberg-Sundin-Bertuzzi in a one-off matchup, but basically a tie across the course of a season?
EA*PPG | NHL GPG | Player | GP | G | A | Pts | PPG |
1.15 | 2.79 | Alfredsson | 73 | 30 | 48 | 78 | 1.07 |
1.11 | 2.92 | Sundin | 77 | 35 | 48 | 83 | 1.08 |
1.11 | 2.90 | Modano | 76 | 34 | 48 | 82 | 1.08 |
1.07 | 2.83 | Zetterberg | 73 | 27 | 46 | 73 | 1.00 |
1.04 | 2.80 | Elias | 71 | 27 | 41 | 68 | 0.97 |
0.85 | 2.76 | Bertuzzi | 75 | 24 | 35 | 59 | 0.78 |
Bertuzzi at his best is still clearly way behind everyone else on the list, save for maybe Elias but Patrik Elias was a big game guy who showed up when his team needed him.
Just want to point out that Berts best season was 97 pts, Elias' best season was 96 pts (and no he doesn't have a bunch of low 90's or high 80's to make him better). Alfredsson had one 107 pt season, no seasons in the 90's, 2 in the 80's and 1 right at 80 pts. Zetterbergs best season was at 92 pts, one season at 85 and one at 80.
So at least looking at the wingers, Bert is amongst peers with similar stats.
Also Bert was a beast that had some slick skills and great chemistry with Naslund. If it wasn't for the incident, he would probably get a lot more respect.
Player | 1.10+ | 1.00 | 0.90 | 0.80 | 0.70 | Total |
Sundin | 3 | 7 | 6 | 0 | 1 | 17 |
Modano | 3 | 7 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 17 |
Alfredsson | 3 | 5 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 15 |
Zetterberg | 2 | 4 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 12 |
Elias | 2 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 14 |
Bertuzzi | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 5 |
Yeah...but does Berts decline coincide with the incident? If so, it's really hard to hold that against him. When they were together, the Naslund, Bertuzzi, Morrison line was the best in the league and it wasn't because of Morrison and Naslund didn't do it alone.Bertuzzi sticks out like a sore thumb because he only had 2 great seasons followed by a huge drop off. He really doesn't belong in a comparison with these other players.
Raw Career PPG stats
* Sundin and Modano's stats are inflated slightly by starting a half dozen years during the tail-end of the video game stat era.[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Player 1.10+ 1.00 0.90 0.80 0.70 Total Sundin 3 7 6 0 1 17 Modano 3 7 4 1 2 17 Alfredsson 3 5 3 1 3 15 Zetterberg 2 4 2 3 1 12 Elias 2 2 3 3 4 14 Bertuzzi 2 0 0 2 1 5
Yeah...but does Berts decline coincide with the incident? If so, it's really hard to hold that against him. When they were together, the Naslund, Bertuzzi, Morrison line was the best in the league and it wasn't because of Morrison and Naslund didn't do it alone.
Yeah...but does Berts decline coincide with the incident? If so, it's really hard to hold that against him. When they were together, the Naslund, Bertuzzi, Morrison line was the best in the league and it wasn't because of Morrison and Naslund didn't do it alone.
Regardless...in the corners and in front of the net, who would you rather have? Bert and Zetterberg or Alfie and Elias? The speed of the second two might be a factor, but it's not like Bert and Zetterberg didn't play with and against fast players. But essentially I think it all comes down to a factor that the stats can't tell us and that is chemistry. I think the second line seems to mesh better than the first, but if I am wrong, then the first line would be more successful.His 3rd and 4th best seasons were '04 and '06. The issue is that he didn't have much of a track record before or after the incident, just 2 seasons of elite play.
Regardless...his line is winning this poll and I highly doubt it's because people think that Zetterberg and Sundin and just way better than Modano, Alfie and Elias.He was playing like crap before the incident. He got a big new contract and after the league started calling him for everything, including his push-off move in the paint on the PP that was unstoppable, he seemed to think he was a pure skill player and stopped doing what made him so successful the previous two years. He wasn't driving to the net, or laying guys out on the forecheck to take the puck. Instead he was trying to stick handle around everyone, or make ridiculous drop passes to no one. He was a lazy, turnover machine in 03-04, who was being carried by Naslund before the Moore hit. Up to that point, Naslund led the league in scoring with 30 goals and 68 points in 59 games, while Bertuzzi was only 19th in league scoring with 16 goals and 51 points in 60 games, which were flattering numbers for him.