Zadina's first 9 games and burning an ELC year
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Henkka
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Playing under 41 games will push his UFA age further by 1 year.
I would care more about that than this ELC thing.
Give him 40 NHL games + some in AHL + AHL playoffs.
I would care more about that than this ELC thing.
Give him 40 NHL games + some in AHL + AHL playoffs.
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You keep him up and shelter him until you feel confident he can hold his own. Give him lots of PP time. Who knows in 2019-20 he may be playing alongside Jack Hughes.
waltdetroit
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As the pre-season teams will not play a full roster of NHL players, I think if you are going to decide on point totals, it needs to be high
Pavels Dog
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I think 4-5 points would be enough but it all depends on how he looks. Is he getting murdered in puck battles? Can he survive defensively like, at all? Is he playing at an NHL pace, or merely getting points because he's good in scoring situations? I think overall if we are doubting his NHL readiness at all it makes sense to send him to AHL and watch how things go. If he isn't destroying that league, he might as well spend a year there.
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Although we all see (and hope) Zadina is extremely dynamic offensively, I personally wouldn't use point total in just a 9 game sample size to determine whether or not I'd keep him on the roster. Point totals fluctuate in segments of games and no matter who you are there are ebbs and flows to production.
I wouldn't ignore the point totals by any means but I would be looking at how quickly he is processing the speed of the game, if he is physically able to hold is own and create space for himself, is he understanding and fitting into the systems and creating some chemistry with those around him etc.
Points are a difficult metric to judge a rookie on, especially in such a small sample size. So, to me, if Zadina is impressing in all other facets of the game but not putting up points in his first 9 games I'd be confident that the points would come and I'd keep him. So, I voted for <3 while looking the part
I wouldn't ignore the point totals by any means but I would be looking at how quickly he is processing the speed of the game, if he is physically able to hold is own and create space for himself, is he understanding and fitting into the systems and creating some chemistry with those around him etc.
Points are a difficult metric to judge a rookie on, especially in such a small sample size. So, to me, if Zadina is impressing in all other facets of the game but not putting up points in his first 9 games I'd be confident that the points would come and I'd keep him. So, I voted for <3 while looking the part
Yeah, I wouldn't get hung up on points, either. The guy could play great and just not get any bounces, we've seen it happen with guys before. Robataille had that one awful year with us where he couldn't buy a goal (as did Sheahan, heh). Flip and Hudler's first full seasons weren't incredibly productive but I don't doubt they were ready.
Don't care about the points, but I care about whether he looks like he can stay in the top 6 (I think he'd certainly play some 3rd line time, but I'd want him spending most of his time playing with and against better players). I don't think there's any value in having him play with Glendening on the 4th line.
I voted 6 points on the expectation that that's what the team would want to keep him up longer (though I don't think anything would rule him out of coming back up later and burning the ELC year anyway).
I voted 6 points on the expectation that that's what the team would want to keep him up longer (though I don't think anything would rule him out of coming back up later and burning the ELC year anyway).
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I'm going to agree with the above and say that at least for me, points won't matter.
If he has 0 points in 9 games, but looks like he's keeping up with the pace of the NHL, getting solid chances, not making any glaring mistakes or getting absolutely dominated by NHL dmen, then I think he stays up the whole year. Maybe they let him go to the WJC in the winter.
I think the only way he doesn't stay is if he doesn't look ready, or some unknown/unexpected player really makes a case to dress for every game, like Svechnikov, Pope, Frk, etc.
If he has 0 points in 9 games, but looks like he's keeping up with the pace of the NHL, getting solid chances, not making any glaring mistakes or getting absolutely dominated by NHL dmen, then I think he stays up the whole year. Maybe they let him go to the WJC in the winter.
I think the only way he doesn't stay is if he doesn't look ready, or some unknown/unexpected player really makes a case to dress for every game, like Svechnikov, Pope, Frk, etc.
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Hatter of the Beach
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My main issue with that is it may turn into a confidence issue. Zadina knows he’s good, but he’s still a teenager. To think he’d be immune to it is naive
rhef3
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It could very well boil down to selling some tickets, IF Z is out most of the year, they may let zadina play just for the better bottom line, he would have to totally flop to be sent down imo. I don't think they send him down at all just to give the fans some excitement this year.
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I would put Zadina on the same plan as the guy he is often compared to in Pasternak. Let him stay down through the WJC and dominate the AHL. It also keeps him under the 40 games like Henkka eluded to more than likely.
On the flip side if he is demonstrably a NHL player during camp I am open to keeping him for the whole year. I am just not certain that is the best way for him to transition to pro hockey. It is hard to say without training camp and pre-season games to evaluate him what the decision should be. It isn't just points related for me, though certainly we don't want him having a goose egg at the NHL level for a super long-time. He is a scorer and a confident guy, I don't want to hurt that part of his game and makeup.
On the flip side if he is demonstrably a NHL player during camp I am open to keeping him for the whole year. I am just not certain that is the best way for him to transition to pro hockey. It is hard to say without training camp and pre-season games to evaluate him what the decision should be. It isn't just points related for me, though certainly we don't want him having a goose egg at the NHL level for a super long-time. He is a scorer and a confident guy, I don't want to hurt that part of his game and makeup.
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Purely as a greedy fan I'd love to see him on the big club all season (if he seems ready) so there would be something to be excited about.
More rationally it doesn't make a lot of sense to burn a UFA year and maybe even an ELC year on what will likely be a craptacular season (assuming Z retires). It'll be harder to see what he can do when the team will often be struggling just to get the puck out of their own end.
More rationally it doesn't make a lot of sense to burn a UFA year and maybe even an ELC year on what will likely be a craptacular season (assuming Z retires). It'll be harder to see what he can do when the team will often be struggling just to get the puck out of their own end.
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I think it depends on the person. From everything I’ve read about Zadina, I’m not that worried about him facing some early adversity personally. I’m fine with either route, playing in the AHL or NHL this year could both be good for his development.
You can get knocked down as long as you don’t stay down. I understand not everyone is Larkin, but I like how he is on the team because he should be able to speak to that with any future kids and guide them to push through the roadblocks.
Cyborg Yzerberg
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There’s no need to rush him, if he’s ready he’s ready, if he looks overwhelmed out there, give him another year. I have no doubt that he will be 100% ready by next season.
BinCookin
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Zadina Not only needs to look the part, and look comfortable... He is also going to need at minimum 4 points if he is playing in the top 9. He is a big time offensive player. Lets be honest, if he cant score 0.5 PPG... he belongs in the AHL to start. If he looks good, and scores 4, id say he stays.
Goalie guy
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0 because hes not starting on this team at the start of the year! You will be lucky to see him 6 times before the season is over.
Best answer. 8 games, if he somehow looks great then keep him. If not tear up the AHL and learn the professional way.
Also would prefer him to go up against AHL guys and put some weight on and not risk getting hurt against a big Z Chara or something for a useless bottom feeding season. Maybe I'm crazy...
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The heavyweights in the AHL are actually less reliable in this regard in my opinion. It is a rougher league.
If Zadina is producing in a top 6 role that likely means the Red Wings are winning hockey games. The only thing with keeping him up and burning a year is how he'll look in January. If he's still an impact player then that means he's one of the best rookies in the league.
Everyone that doesn't mind keeping him around the entire year has to be ok with the Red Wings likely pushing for a playoff spot. You can't have it both ways.
Everyone that doesn't mind keeping him around the entire year has to be ok with the Red Wings likely pushing for a playoff spot. You can't have it both ways.
