Zadina probably starting out in GR

Claypool · Oct 1, 2018

Oddbob said:
Has anyone heard of how Zadina took it not making the team? Was he upset/angry or understandable of the situation? Expect to make it?

"I've been very impressed with his maturity," Blashill said. "I think he understands we're doing everything we can to put him in the best position to ultimately become a great player here.

"He didn't play so well that he was better than other guys by any stretch, but he showed signs of becoming a really good player."

Red Wings to Filip Zadina: Build confidence in Grand Rapids

No quotes directly from Zadina. Take that for what you will.

Lampedampe · Oct 1, 2018

Claypool said:
Red Wings to Filip Zadina: Build confidence in Grand Rapids

No quotes directly from Zadina. Take that for what you will.

Gotta agree with Blashill on this one, he showed some great skill and talent, but overall impression was not NHL ready.

A year in AHL is probably the best option for him as of now.

Mijatovic · Oct 1, 2018

He looked physically incapable. Not a slight on an 18 year old boy versus men.

golffuul · Oct 1, 2018

For someone in Zadina's position, once he understands the NHL game better, he will be back, never look back, and be thankful for the time allowed to develop. It won't take long, IMO, for him to make all the adjustments and physical gains needed. Probably see him up, permanently, after the trade deadline when we've traded Nyquist.

Goalie guy · Oct 1, 2018

The only thing I worry about is his coming off the half wall into the slot with his head down. He got rocked hard 3 or 4 times in the Q doing it and a few times in the prospect game and a few times in preseason.

Claypool · Oct 1, 2018

Doesn't seem very happy lol

GrGriffins · Oct 1, 2018

Claypool said:
Doesn't seem very happy lol

Could be worse. He could have ended up back in juniors like most other 18 yr olds and play there all season long with no chance of getting into the NHL into training camp next season. At least with him, he can work on what he needs to do in the AHL, master it as great and as fast as he can, and he has a much better chance to make it back to Detroit going this route.

He is disappointed to be in GR, but if he is as good as most people say he is, he will not be here for very long. They take off for Texas I believe tomorrow to get ready for the "Texas 2-Step" road trip this weekend.

Henkka · Oct 1, 2018

What are the AHL scoring records for 18-year-olds or something that young ?

That's what I'm interested now. Need a measuring point.

Dylan Strome was one of the youngest to score over a point per game last season (50 games, 22+31=53 points), but he was already 20 years old.

Mikko Rantanen scored 60 points in 52 games (24+36) at 2015-16 season. He was same aged on that season as Zadina is at becoming season. Turned 19 in october of that season, when Zadina turns 19 in november.

Tomas Tatar's rookie season (as same aged, turned 19 in december of his rookie season) was 16+16=32 points in 58 games. If Zadina doesn't beat that, then it's a disappointment.

Frk It · Oct 1, 2018

Henkka said:
What are the AHL scoring records for 18-year-olds or something that young ?

That's what I'm interested now. Need a measuring point.

Dylan Strome was one of the youngest to score over a point per game last season (50 games, 22+31=53 points), but he was already 20 years old.

Mikko Rantanen scored 60 points in 52 games (24+36) at 2015-16 season. He was same aged on that season as Zadina is at becoming season. Turned 19 in october of that season, when Zadina turns 19 in november.

Tomas Tatar's rookie season (as same aged, turned 19 in december of his rookie season) was 16+16=32 points in 58 games. If Zadina doesn't beat that, then it's a disappointment.

Elite Prospects - AHL Stats All-time season

BinCookin · Oct 1, 2018

Frk It said:
Elite Prospects - AHL Stats All-time season

Looks like Pastrnak at basically 1 PPG is a good comparison for what Zadina dominating would be.

raymond23 · Oct 1, 2018

PPG as an 18 year old is really, really good. Not sure if we should expect that.

BinCookin · Oct 1, 2018

^^ Agree, that would be dominating.

Looking at the list, |

0.75 PPG would be great production.
0.5 PPG would be good production I think for Zadina.
0.25 PPG would be disappointing

Considering his expectations and age.

Winger98 · Oct 1, 2018

Patience will probably be key and it might be better to look at Zadina's season as a progression of stages. I can see him having a slow first couple of months, his production then picking up in the middle third, and then having a really good last third. The hard numbers might not look jaw dropping at the end, but his actual play and production rate could tell a much different story.

RedMenace · Oct 1, 2018

Winger98 said:
Patience will probably be key and it might be better to look at Zadina's season as a progression of stages. I can see him having a slow first couple of months, his production then picking up in the middle third, and then having a really good last third. The hard numbers might not look jaw dropping at the end, but his actual play and production rate could tell a much different story.

Yeah, erring on the side of patience isn't a bad thing here. It may take him half a season to get used to the speed and strength of the AHL, and that's not an indictment of an 18 year old with high end skill. If he could produce like Tatar, that would be nice. If he could produce like Hudler, that would be outstanding.

Either way, I wouldn't write him off of he doesn't make either of those goals -- as long as his attitude is right and he keeps working.

Oddbob · Oct 2, 2018

He honestly looks disappointed of course, but you get the feeling he is more angry or quite upset about it, judging by the way he looked and was answering the questions. Hopefully it is a case of it lit a fuse, and he is going to go to GR, with a prove em wrong attitude. If he plays 50-70 games in the AHL, I would be disappointed with less than 50-65 PTS. Maybe that is a reach, but he was a high pick, so would be nice to have someone go well beyond what we hope or expect.

The Zetterberg Era · Oct 2, 2018

mantha39 said:
PPG as an 18 year old is really, really good. Not sure if we should expect that.

Zadina is supposed to be an elite prospect, much like Pasta those guys don't get long runs in the AHL traditionally. I will tell you I want him above .75 or I will be a little disappointed. Zadina is a scorer, he needs to score that is his value and I don't think it is a ton to ask out of a #6 overall that is about to turn 19 around US Thanksgiving. Zadina is older which is a part of how I evaluate this as well. He is only going to spend two months as an 18 year old. For instance Larkin broke into the NHL at 6 months older.

High octane offensive players like William Nylander and Pastrnak have shown this is doable. I get it is dangerous to have high expectations, but Zadina has them, no shame in starting in the AHL but he needs to be an impact guy down there or yes even with as young as he is I am going to get a little worried.

Pavels Dog · Oct 2, 2018

Claypool said:
Doesn't seem very happy lol

As long as he takes it the right way. He will be up very quickly if he channels the frustration into making a positive impact on the ice. Could be a matter of weeks if he does what he has the potential to do.

izlez · Oct 2, 2018

Frk It said:
Elite Prospects - AHL Stats All-time season

Looks like 5 points on the season is the benchmark before we can start hyping him up with "HE IS TOP 20 ALL-TIME IN AHL SCORING FOR 18 YEAR OLDS! THIS KID IS A BEAST!!"

Frk It · Oct 2, 2018

The Zetterberg Era said:
Zadina is supposed to be an elite prospect, much like Pasta those guys don't get long runs in the AHL traditionally. I will tell you I want him above .75 or I will be a little disappointed. Zadina is a scorer, he needs to score that is his value and I don't think it is a ton to ask out of a #6 overall that is about to turn 19 around US Thanksgiving. Zadina is older which is a part of how I evaluate this as well. He is only going to spend two months as an 18 year old. For instance Larkin broke into the NHL at 6 months older.

High octane offensive players like William Nylander and Pastrnak have shown this is doable. I get it is dangerous to have high expectations, but Zadina has them, no shame in starting in the AHL but he needs to be an impact guy down there or yes even with as young as he is I am going to get a little worried.

That’s how I look at it, pretty much have the same expectations.

InjuredChoker · Oct 2, 2018

BinCookin said:
^^ Agree, that would be dominating.

Looking at the list, |

0.75 PPG would be great production.
0.5 PPG would be good production I think for Zadina.
0.25 PPG would be disappointing

Considering his expectations and age.

based on production of fiala (0.61), puljujärvi(0.72), chytil(0.67) and will nylander(0.86), anything under 0.75 would be disappointing for me.

raymond23 · Oct 2, 2018

The Zetterberg Era said:
Zadina is supposed to be an elite prospect, much like Pasta those guys don't get long runs in the AHL traditionally. I will tell you I want him above .75 or I will be a little disappointed. Zadina is a scorer, he needs to score that is his value and I don't think it is a ton to ask out of a #6 overall that is about to turn 19 around US Thanksgiving. Zadina is older which is a part of how I evaluate this as well. He is only going to spend two months as an 18 year old. For instance Larkin broke into the NHL at 6 months older.

High octane offensive players like William Nylander and Pastrnak have shown this is doable. I get it is dangerous to have high expectations, but Zadina has them, no shame in starting in the AHL but he needs to be an impact guy down there or yes even with as young as he is I am going to get a little worried.

Good point. I agree with you and others, under .75ppg would be a bit disappointing. Just don't think anyone should be expecting 1+ppg... that would be great tho.

Did not realize that about his age either, that's good to know.

lilidk · Oct 2, 2018

BinCookin said:
Looks like Pastrnak at basically 1 PPG is a good comparison for what Zadina dominating would be.

it will be a dream , most likely he will be like Alexandr Nylander

TheMule93 · Oct 2, 2018

I think puljujarvi may be a good comparable in terms of development

SoundAndFury · Oct 2, 2018

Can somebody explain me what is the rule which lets Zadina play in the AHL while the other CHL guys can't?

Lil Sebastian Cossa · Oct 2, 2018

SoundAndFury said:
Can somebody explain me what is the rule which lets Zadina play in the AHL while the other CHL guys can't?

He was a foreign loaned player I believe. That's the difference.

Lil Sebastian Cossa · Oct 2, 2018

Claypool said:
Doesn't seem very happy lol

I mean, I don't want him to be happy. I want him thinking that he should have made it and that he'll go down and bust his ass to make absolutely sure he gets up in short order and never looks back.
Frankly, I think every new draftee (unless they are an uber talent like McDavid, Matthews, etc.) should spend some time in the AHL. I feel like getting young kids like Zadina in games as top line guys against AHL talent is better than tossing them in and hoping they stick on a third or fourth line in the NHL.

If for nothing else than getting them used to the professional schedule and ramping up to the speed of the professional game.

And hell, you are going for essentially a promotion and don't get it? Of course you'll be disappointed.

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