Zadina probably starting out in GR

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Zadina has 8th most NHL games of 2018 draftees.
Zadina has 7th most NHL points of 2018 draftees.
Zadina also has 5th highest average ice-times of 2018 draftees.

Everybody should once look outside from the window and see somebody else "childs" than your own. Other prospects from 2018 draft aren't doing any different. Young players are struggling. Quinn Hughes is THE only player who is playing better than Zadina who was drafted after him.
Yep. Would also add that out of those drafted ahead of him, only Dahlin, Svech and Tkachuk are clearly doing better, and it was expected that it would be the case.
 

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The thing to remember with Zadina and indeed everyone, is that the jump from Junior to the AHL is pretty high, some guys take too it right away and that is all well and good, some don't, doesn't diminish their talent or potential, just means the adjustment period is different.

How can Zadina use those tools that were clearly on show, in a smarter, quicker way, that is what he has too figure out and it isn't easy.

He had an ok first year as a professional, when all other players his age were still seasoning their games at a lower level in junior, if he has bad habits then actually it might have been for the best that he is having these struggles earlier than what he ordinarily would have too, if they had allowed themselves to become entrenched for another full season in junior then it might have been harder to break them.

He still has this season and then the season after that then onto into the pre-season in my opinion before we can start throwing around the B-Word and even then I think if he is Top 9 capable then he will play. He has a lot of time to figure it out.
 

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Well my take from this thread is Zadina is a "poor man's Hudler", "with a lower ceiling", and Pierre asked the question to Yzerman if he would have pick Zadina at #6 and there's no direct quote from Yzerman saying anything.... so Peirre took it upon himself to answering the question for Stevie Y?!?

Meanwhile Zadina is heating up.
 
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Where is everyone at with Zadina these days?

I was hoping my opinion of him would have changed for the better by now, but unfortunately it's only getting worse...

Last year I got on him about his skating and decision-making. I think his skating is actually improved now. I still wouldn't define him as a particularly fast player, but he definitely has the legs to keep up.

Also, I think I was wrong about his decision-making being the problem. I'm now questioning his entire hockey IQ. He is an incredibly frustrating player to watch. So much ability, yet he has seemingly no idea how to use it. He's like a Ferrari with a chimp behind the wheel. He's constantly behind the play - not because he is slow - but because his anticipation of the play is so poor. I was hoping finishing out the season last year and having this summer to prepare would have better acclimated him to the systems in GR. I don't think it took at all.

To his credit, he seems frustrated at times, like he knows things are not going his way.... The effort is there, he still backchecks hard, but it's like he doesn't always know what his assignment is or something. I see the same sort of thing continuing in the O zone as well. I'm still super doubtful that he's ever going to be much of a playmaker/play-driver. He needs to just set up at the top of the circle like Stammer does and endlessly bean the goalie off feeds from someone who CAN make a play. It will be a tough pill to swallow if a former #6 ends up as a passenger player like that, but it might be his best shot at racking up big goal totals. Or maybe he hits the squat rack and works on his dangles and he can be an AA type. I just don't see him ever functioning in a proper cycle that well.

Any GR watchers seeing the same or different?
I never saw that special quality that merits a #6 pick. Hes a good all around player but doesn't look like he'll have that game breaking quality to him. He's young so you give him time but we don't even see hints of it. He has a good shot but he doesn't play away from the puck well and that's where I worry about his hockey IQ.
I was watching Quinton Hughes tonight and the way that he skates and moves is mesmerizing. A game breaking talent. I'f love Zadina if he was taken 30th, but he hasn't lived up to a #6 pick should be.
 

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Where is everyone at with Zadina these days?

I was hoping my opinion of him would have changed for the better by now, but unfortunately it's only getting worse...

Last year I got on him about his skating and decision-making. I think his skating is actually improved now. I still wouldn't define him as a particularly fast player, but he definitely has the legs to keep up.

Also, I think I was wrong about his decision-making being the problem. I'm now questioning his entire hockey IQ. He is an incredibly frustrating player to watch. So much ability, yet he has seemingly no idea how to use it. He's like a Ferrari with a chimp behind the wheel. He's constantly behind the play - not because he is slow - but because his anticipation of the play is so poor. I was hoping finishing out the season last year and having this summer to prepare would have better acclimated him to the systems in GR. I don't think it took at all.

To his credit, he seems frustrated at times, like he knows things are not going his way.... The effort is there, he still backchecks hard, but it's like he doesn't always know what his assignment is or something. I see the same sort of thing continuing in the O zone as well. I'm still super doubtful that he's ever going to be much of a playmaker/play-driver. He needs to just set up at the top of the circle like Stammer does and endlessly bean the goalie off feeds from someone who CAN make a play. It will be a tough pill to swallow if a former #6 ends up as a passenger player like that, but it might be his best shot at racking up big goal totals. Or maybe he hits the squat rack and works on his dangles and he can be an AA type. I just don't see him ever functioning in a proper cycle that well.

Any GR watchers seeing the same or different?
I replied after I tear the first three lines haha
You and me both brother, how you feel when they drafted him?
He reminds me of a Kirby Dach. Gets a lot of points but they aren't exciting
 

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Slowly heating up.

4+2=6 points in last 8 games.

First 6 games 1+0= 1 point.

Yeah he had a slow start but is heating up now. I'm cautioously optimistic that hes going to keep it going. Hes playing better overall so it makes sense that more points are coming. He could really use a multi point game or two to get that confidence high though

I never saw that special quality that merits a #6 pick. Hes a good all around player but doesn't look like he'll have that game breaking quality to him. He's young so you give him time but we don't even see hints of it. He has a good shot but he doesn't play away from the puck well and that's where I worry about his hockey IQ.
I was watching Quinton Hughes tonight and the way that he skates and moves is mesmerizing. A game breaking talent. I'f love Zadina if he was taken 30th, but he hasn't lived up to a #6 pick should be.

You never saw special quality that merited the 6th overall pick before the draft? Did you watch him at all? He was arguably the most impressive player at the WJC and he was draft eligible. His draft season he was at worst drafted where he shouldve been, if not lower
 
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Call me crazy, but it would not get past my head if Yzerman decides to trade Zadina for a good defense piece. At this point Zadina is either in our future top-6 or not, and seeing how most of the guys playing up there are quite young, he could be the one out if we could get a good return for him.
 
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Call me crazy, but it would not get past my head if Yzerman decides to trade Zadina for a good defense piece. At this point Zadina is either in our future top-6 or not, and seeing how most of the guys playing up there are quite young, he could be the one out if we could get a good return for him.
like Olli Juolevi?
 

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Call me crazy, but it would not get past my head if Yzerman decides to trade Zadina for a good defense piece. At this point Zadina is either in our future top-6 or not, and seeing how most of the guys playing up there are quite young, he could be the one out if we could get a good return for him.
Alright, you're crazy.

We need scoring potential over defensive depth in terms of our prospect pool at this point. Unless a very good, young LHD becomes available (hint, young D are almost never available) there is no need to move on from Zadina. Heck, the only way Zadina is even worth that is if he establishes himself as a legit NHL scoring threat, which he hasn't yet. Now if he goes the way of Drouin and becomes a poor fit organizationally, then we might see a move get made. The Sergachev trade is still perplexing from Montreal's perspective, even after Drouin has started rounding into form.
 

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Only trades I could imagine would be to fix our handness problems. Zadina for equal right-handed winger.

Still can't believe that from our current kid forward group of...

... Bertuzzi, Larkin, Mantha, Svechnikov, Athanasiou, Fabbri, Perlini, Rasmussen, Veleno, Smith, Pearson, Zadina, Grewe, Phillips, Hirose, Erne, Söderblom, Mastrosimone, Ehn, Turgeon, Berggren, Kuffner, MacLeod and Kivenmäki ...

... the only right-handed forward is Ethan Phillips.
 
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Question for people who are watching GR. Is he progressing, learning. ? If he isn't then trade him, same to Veleno
 

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Only trades I could imagine would be to fix our handness problems. Zadina for equal right-handed winger.

Still can't believe that from our current kid forward group of...

... Bertuzzi, Larkin, Mantha, Svechnikov, Athanasiou, Fabbri, Perlini, Rasmussen, Veleno, Smith, Pearson, Zadina, Grewe, Phillips, Hirose, Erne, Söderblom, Mastrosimone, Ehn, Turgeon, Berggren, Kuffner, MacLeod and Kivenmäki ...

... the only right-handed forward is Ethan Phillips.
a young RHS 2C & 2RW are sorely needed. Brock Boeser would be great, but close to untouchable barring overpayment.
 

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Zadina is on a good streak, hopefully he can keep it up for you guys. I would like to see him ha succes.
I've seen that a couple of you would like to trade him for a Young D. Don't you think a guy like Svech would fit better for that need ? The Canes want to trade Fleury and are looking for help offensively, what do you think about that ?

Question for people who are watching GR. Is he progressing, learning. ? If he isn't then trade him, same to Veleno

Veleno has played 15 pro hockey games and you want to trade him already ? IMO he will have a ok 1st season but in the long run (maybe next year) he will be a perfect fit as a 2nd or 3rd C.
 

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Zadina is on a good streak, hopefully he can keep it up for you guys. I would like to see him ha succes.
I've seen that a couple of you would like to trade him for a Young D. Don't you think a guy like Svech would fit better for that need ? The Canes want to trade Fleury and are looking for help offensively, what do you think about that ?
I'm not one of the people who would have any interest in trading Zadina currently, but I think the thought process is that Zadina would obviously return a higher quality piece than Svechnikov would. However a Svech for Fleury trade would interest me. Stock up on those 2014 first rounders lol (Larkin, Perlini, Fabbri).
 
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Zadina is on a good streak, hopefully he can keep it up for you guys. I would like to see him ha succes.
I've seen that a couple of you would like to trade him for a Young D. Don't you think a guy like Svech would fit better for that need ? The Canes want to trade Fleury and are looking for help offensively, what do you think about that ?



Veleno has played 15 pro hockey games and you want to trade him already ? IMO he will have a ok 1st season but in the long run (maybe next year) he will be a perfect fit as a 2nd or 3rd C.
I'd offer up Svech and more for Fleury.
 

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And to follow up on trading Svech or Zadina for a D, What is happening with Rasmussen ? Are wings fans ready to give up on him and trade him for a D or he's doing fearly well ?
 

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And to follow up on trading Svech or Zadina for a D, What is happening with Rasmussen ? Are wings fans ready to give up on him and trade him for a D or he's doing fearly well ?

No?

Basically, we know we need to improve the D core. We are not trying to trade our entire forward prospect core for D. That doesn't make any sense. If we deal Svech or Zadina+, we aren't likely to trade Ras. If we trade Ras, we aren't likely to trade those other guys. We know we need to give quality to get quality.
 

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No?

Basically, we know we need to improve the D core. We are not trying to trade our entire forward prospect core for D. That doesn't make any sense. If we deal Svech or Zadina+, we aren't likely to trade Ras. If we trade Ras, we aren't likely to trade those other guys. We know we need to give quality to get quality.

Yes that's what I wanted to ask, one of the three ! Do you think Ras would be in that discussion ?

(My english is not good, sorry)
 

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I'm on recording saying Haydn Fleury is a guy that Yzerman should be looking at. However, that's assuming we could get him dirt cheap. I don't think we should be trading one of our top prospects (e.g. Zadina, Rasmussen) for him. *Maybe* Svechnikov.
 
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Yes that's what I wanted to ask, one of the three ! Do you think Ras would be in that discussion ?

(My english is not good, sorry)

Oh, you're fine. Sure then. Detroit basically has two or three pieces that are absolutely untouchable, no matter what. Larkin, Mantha (perhaps), and unprotected 1st. The rest? They're all available for the right price. Wings aren't jealously hoarding pieces nor are they looking to swap for S's and G's.
 
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Ras, Zadina, Veleno, Seider are the main prospects off limits.. Svech doesn't have a ton of value, I like him and his style/skill package.. If we can get an equally young defender for him, I'd be open to it but thats unlikely.. Besides that keep our other young guys, they have barely got their feet wet.
 
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And to follow up on trading Svech or Zadina for a D, What is happening with Rasmussen ? Are wings fans ready to give up on him and trade him for a D or he's doing fearly well ?

Given Ras is almost PPG in Grand Rapids as a 6"6 20 year old, I'd say that less fans are giving up on him than a few months ago. It would take a potential top 3 D or potential 1st line fwd to trade him I think, as despite his weaknesses, he projects to be a certain NHL-er and one whose size, net front skills and lack of glaring weaknesses as a 2 way center give him quite a lot of value. I think most wings fans see him as a special teams specialist 3rd line winger, but his physical gifts, work ethic and likely increase in strength give a small chance of a higher ceiling.
 
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I'm on recording saying Haydn Fleury is a guy that Yzerman should be looking at. However, that's assuming we could get him dirt cheap. I don't think we should be trading one of our top prospects (e.g. Zadina, Rasmussen) for him. *Maybe* Svechnikov.
Svech was mentioned because of his brother. Fleury instantly turns the D into NHL level once DDK returns:

DDK-Hronek
Nemeth-Green
Fleury-Cholo

Bowey and McIlrath as spares, Seider takes Green's place next season.

I'd trade any one fo the prospects for Fleury, really don't care which one as long as it's only one plus maybe a lower level prospect or pick.
 

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