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Are we ok to be disappointed that a #3 dropping to #6 to us hasn't had a significant impact yet? Sure. Does writing him off as a bust or a 3rd liner have any justification? Not yet.
Way too rational and level-headed.
Are we ok to be disappointed that a #3 dropping to #6 to us hasn't had a significant impact yet? Sure. Does writing him off as a bust or a 3rd liner have any justification? Not yet.
Yep. Would also add that out of those drafted ahead of him, only Dahlin, Svech and Tkachuk are clearly doing better, and it was expected that it would be the case.Zadina has 8th most NHL games of 2018 draftees.
Zadina has 7th most NHL points of 2018 draftees.
Zadina also has 5th highest average ice-times of 2018 draftees.
Everybody should once look outside from the window and see somebody else "childs" than your own. Other prospects from 2018 draft aren't doing any different. Young players are struggling. Quinn Hughes is THE only player who is playing better than Zadina who was drafted after him.
I never saw that special quality that merits a #6 pick. Hes a good all around player but doesn't look like he'll have that game breaking quality to him. He's young so you give him time but we don't even see hints of it. He has a good shot but he doesn't play away from the puck well and that's where I worry about his hockey IQ.Where is everyone at with Zadina these days?
I was hoping my opinion of him would have changed for the better by now, but unfortunately it's only getting worse...
Last year I got on him about his skating and decision-making. I think his skating is actually improved now. I still wouldn't define him as a particularly fast player, but he definitely has the legs to keep up.
Also, I think I was wrong about his decision-making being the problem. I'm now questioning his entire hockey IQ. He is an incredibly frustrating player to watch. So much ability, yet he has seemingly no idea how to use it. He's like a Ferrari with a chimp behind the wheel. He's constantly behind the play - not because he is slow - but because his anticipation of the play is so poor. I was hoping finishing out the season last year and having this summer to prepare would have better acclimated him to the systems in GR. I don't think it took at all.
To his credit, he seems frustrated at times, like he knows things are not going his way.... The effort is there, he still backchecks hard, but it's like he doesn't always know what his assignment is or something. I see the same sort of thing continuing in the O zone as well. I'm still super doubtful that he's ever going to be much of a playmaker/play-driver. He needs to just set up at the top of the circle like Stammer does and endlessly bean the goalie off feeds from someone who CAN make a play. It will be a tough pill to swallow if a former #6 ends up as a passenger player like that, but it might be his best shot at racking up big goal totals. Or maybe he hits the squat rack and works on his dangles and he can be an AA type. I just don't see him ever functioning in a proper cycle that well.
Any GR watchers seeing the same or different?
I replied after I tear the first three lines hahaWhere is everyone at with Zadina these days?
I was hoping my opinion of him would have changed for the better by now, but unfortunately it's only getting worse...
Last year I got on him about his skating and decision-making. I think his skating is actually improved now. I still wouldn't define him as a particularly fast player, but he definitely has the legs to keep up.
Also, I think I was wrong about his decision-making being the problem. I'm now questioning his entire hockey IQ. He is an incredibly frustrating player to watch. So much ability, yet he has seemingly no idea how to use it. He's like a Ferrari with a chimp behind the wheel. He's constantly behind the play - not because he is slow - but because his anticipation of the play is so poor. I was hoping finishing out the season last year and having this summer to prepare would have better acclimated him to the systems in GR. I don't think it took at all.
To his credit, he seems frustrated at times, like he knows things are not going his way.... The effort is there, he still backchecks hard, but it's like he doesn't always know what his assignment is or something. I see the same sort of thing continuing in the O zone as well. I'm still super doubtful that he's ever going to be much of a playmaker/play-driver. He needs to just set up at the top of the circle like Stammer does and endlessly bean the goalie off feeds from someone who CAN make a play. It will be a tough pill to swallow if a former #6 ends up as a passenger player like that, but it might be his best shot at racking up big goal totals. Or maybe he hits the squat rack and works on his dangles and he can be an AA type. I just don't see him ever functioning in a proper cycle that well.
Any GR watchers seeing the same or different?
Slowly heating up.
4+2=6 points in last 8 games.
First 6 games 1+0= 1 point.
I never saw that special quality that merits a #6 pick. Hes a good all around player but doesn't look like he'll have that game breaking quality to him. He's young so you give him time but we don't even see hints of it. He has a good shot but he doesn't play away from the puck well and that's where I worry about his hockey IQ.
I was watching Quinton Hughes tonight and the way that he skates and moves is mesmerizing. A game breaking talent. I'f love Zadina if he was taken 30th, but he hasn't lived up to a #6 pick should be.
like Olli Juolevi?Call me crazy, but it would not get past my head if Yzerman decides to trade Zadina for a good defense piece. At this point Zadina is either in our future top-6 or not, and seeing how most of the guys playing up there are quite young, he could be the one out if we could get a good return for him.
Alright, you're crazy.Call me crazy, but it would not get past my head if Yzerman decides to trade Zadina for a good defense piece. At this point Zadina is either in our future top-6 or not, and seeing how most of the guys playing up there are quite young, he could be the one out if we could get a good return for him.
a young RHS 2C & 2RW are sorely needed. Brock Boeser would be great, but close to untouchable barring overpayment.Only trades I could imagine would be to fix our handness problems. Zadina for equal right-handed winger.
Still can't believe that from our current kid forward group of...
... Bertuzzi, Larkin, Mantha, Svechnikov, Athanasiou, Fabbri, Perlini, Rasmussen, Veleno, Smith, Pearson, Zadina, Grewe, Phillips, Hirose, Erne, Söderblom, Mastrosimone, Ehn, Turgeon, Berggren, Kuffner, MacLeod and Kivenmäki ...
... the only right-handed forward is Ethan Phillips.
Question for people who are watching GR. Is he progressing, learning. ? If he isn't then trade him, same to Veleno
I'm not one of the people who would have any interest in trading Zadina currently, but I think the thought process is that Zadina would obviously return a higher quality piece than Svechnikov would. However a Svech for Fleury trade would interest me. Stock up on those 2014 first rounders lol (Larkin, Perlini, Fabbri).** AVS FAN COMMING HERE AS A FRIEND TO DISCUSS**
Zadina is on a good streak, hopefully he can keep it up for you guys. I would like to see him ha succes.
I've seen that a couple of you would like to trade him for a Young D. Don't you think a guy like Svech would fit better for that need ? The Canes want to trade Fleury and are looking for help offensively, what do you think about that ?
I'd offer up Svech and more for Fleury.** AVS FAN COMMING HERE AS A FRIEND TO DISCUSS**
Zadina is on a good streak, hopefully he can keep it up for you guys. I would like to see him ha succes.
I've seen that a couple of you would like to trade him for a Young D. Don't you think a guy like Svech would fit better for that need ? The Canes want to trade Fleury and are looking for help offensively, what do you think about that ?
Veleno has played 15 pro hockey games and you want to trade him already ? IMO he will have a ok 1st season but in the long run (maybe next year) he will be a perfect fit as a 2nd or 3rd C.
And to follow up on trading Svech or Zadina for a D, What is happening with Rasmussen ? Are wings fans ready to give up on him and trade him for a D or he's doing fearly well ?
No?
Basically, we know we need to improve the D core. We are not trying to trade our entire forward prospect core for D. That doesn't make any sense. If we deal Svech or Zadina+, we aren't likely to trade Ras. If we trade Ras, we aren't likely to trade those other guys. We know we need to give quality to get quality.
What is happening with Rasmussen ? Are wings fans ready to give up on him and trade him for a D or he's doing fearly well ?
Yes that's what I wanted to ask, one of the three ! Do you think Ras would be in that discussion ?
(My english is not good, sorry)
And to follow up on trading Svech or Zadina for a D, What is happening with Rasmussen ? Are wings fans ready to give up on him and trade him for a D or he's doing fearly well ?
Svech was mentioned because of his brother. Fleury instantly turns the D into NHL level once DDK returns:I'm on recording saying Haydn Fleury is a guy that Yzerman should be looking at. However, that's assuming we could get him dirt cheap. I don't think we should be trading one of our top prospects (e.g. Zadina, Rasmussen) for him. *Maybe* Svechnikov.