Zadina probably starting out in GR

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  1. MBH

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    Way too rational and level-headed.
     
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    Yep. Would also add that out of those drafted ahead of him, only Dahlin, Svech and Tkachuk are clearly doing better, and it was expected that it would be the case.
     
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    The thing to remember with Zadina and indeed everyone, is that the jump from Junior to the AHL is pretty high, some guys take too it right away and that is all well and good, some don't, doesn't diminish their talent or potential, just means the adjustment period is different.

    How can Zadina use those tools that were clearly on show, in a smarter, quicker way, that is what he has too figure out and it isn't easy.

    He had an ok first year as a professional, when all other players his age were still seasoning their games at a lower level in junior, if he has bad habits then actually it might have been for the best that he is having these struggles earlier than what he ordinarily would have too, if they had allowed themselves to become entrenched for another full season in junior then it might have been harder to break them.

    He still has this season and then the season after that then onto into the pre-season in my opinion before we can start throwing around the B-Word and even then I think if he is Top 9 capable then he will play. He has a lot of time to figure it out.
     
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    Well my take from this thread is Zadina is a "poor man's Hudler", "with a lower ceiling", and Pierre asked the question to Yzerman if he would have pick Zadina at #6 and there's no direct quote from Yzerman saying anything.... so Peirre took it upon himself to answering the question for Stevie Y?!?

    Meanwhile Zadina is heating up.
     
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    I never saw that special quality that merits a #6 pick. Hes a good all around player but doesn't look like he'll have that game breaking quality to him. He's young so you give him time but we don't even see hints of it. He has a good shot but he doesn't play away from the puck well and that's where I worry about his hockey IQ.
    I was watching Quinton Hughes tonight and the way that he skates and moves is mesmerizing. A game breaking talent. I'f love Zadina if he was taken 30th, but he hasn't lived up to a #6 pick should be.
     
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    I replied after I tear the first three lines haha
    You and me both brother, how you feel when they drafted him?
    He reminds me of a Kirby Dach. Gets a lot of points but they aren't exciting
     
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    Yeah he had a slow start but is heating up now. I'm cautioously optimistic that hes going to keep it going. Hes playing better overall so it makes sense that more points are coming. He could really use a multi point game or two to get that confidence high though

    You never saw special quality that merited the 6th overall pick before the draft? Did you watch him at all? He was arguably the most impressive player at the WJC and he was draft eligible. His draft season he was at worst drafted where he shouldve been, if not lower
     
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    Call me crazy, but it would not get past my head if Yzerman decides to trade Zadina for a good defense piece. At this point Zadina is either in our future top-6 or not, and seeing how most of the guys playing up there are quite young, he could be the one out if we could get a good return for him.
     
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    like Olli Juolevi?
     
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    Alright, you're crazy.

    We need scoring potential over defensive depth in terms of our prospect pool at this point. Unless a very good, young LHD becomes available (hint, young D are almost never available) there is no need to move on from Zadina. Heck, the only way Zadina is even worth that is if he establishes himself as a legit NHL scoring threat, which he hasn't yet. Now if he goes the way of Drouin and becomes a poor fit organizationally, then we might see a move get made. The Sergachev trade is still perplexing from Montreal's perspective, even after Drouin has started rounding into form.
     
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    Only trades I could imagine would be to fix our handness problems. Zadina for equal right-handed winger.

    Still can't believe that from our current kid forward group of...

    ... Bertuzzi, Larkin, Mantha, Svechnikov, Athanasiou, Fabbri, Perlini, Rasmussen, Veleno, Smith, Pearson, Zadina, Grewe, Phillips, Hirose, Erne, Söderblom, Mastrosimone, Ehn, Turgeon, Berggren, Kuffner, MacLeod and Kivenmäki ...

    ... the only right-handed forward is Ethan Phillips.
     
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    Question for people who are watching GR. Is he progressing, learning. ? If he isn't then trade him, same to Veleno
     
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    a young RHS 2C & 2RW are sorely needed. Brock Boeser would be great, but close to untouchable barring overpayment.
     
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    ** AVS FAN COMMING HERE AS A FRIEND TO DISCUSS**

    Zadina is on a good streak, hopefully he can keep it up for you guys. I would like to see him ha succes.
    I've seen that a couple of you would like to trade him for a Young D. Don't you think a guy like Svech would fit better for that need ? The Canes want to trade Fleury and are looking for help offensively, what do you think about that ?

    Veleno has played 15 pro hockey games and you want to trade him already ? IMO he will have a ok 1st season but in the long run (maybe next year) he will be a perfect fit as a 2nd or 3rd C.
     
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    I'm not one of the people who would have any interest in trading Zadina currently, but I think the thought process is that Zadina would obviously return a higher quality piece than Svechnikov would. However a Svech for Fleury trade would interest me. Stock up on those 2014 first rounders lol (Larkin, Perlini, Fabbri).
     
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    I'd offer up Svech and more for Fleury.
     
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    And to follow up on trading Svech or Zadina for a D, What is happening with Rasmussen ? Are wings fans ready to give up on him and trade him for a D or he's doing fearly well ?
     
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    No?

    Basically, we know we need to improve the D core. We are not trying to trade our entire forward prospect core for D. That doesn't make any sense. If we deal Svech or Zadina+, we aren't likely to trade Ras. If we trade Ras, we aren't likely to trade those other guys. We know we need to give quality to get quality.
     
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    Yes that's what I wanted to ask, one of the three ! Do you think Ras would be in that discussion ?

    (My english is not good, sorry)
     
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    I'm on recording saying Haydn Fleury is a guy that Yzerman should be looking at. However, that's assuming we could get him dirt cheap. I don't think we should be trading one of our top prospects (e.g. Zadina, Rasmussen) for him. *Maybe* Svechnikov.
     
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    No.

    Rasmussen will be our future PP netfront beast. Penalty killer etc.

    Important role player.
     
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    Oh, you're fine. Sure then. Detroit basically has two or three pieces that are absolutely untouchable, no matter what. Larkin, Mantha (perhaps), and unprotected 1st. The rest? They're all available for the right price. Wings aren't jealously hoarding pieces nor are they looking to swap for S's and G's.
     
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    Ras, Zadina, Veleno, Seider are the main prospects off limits.. Svech doesn't have a ton of value, I like him and his style/skill package.. If we can get an equally young defender for him, I'd be open to it but thats unlikely.. Besides that keep our other young guys, they have barely got their feet wet.
     
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    Given Ras is almost PPG in Grand Rapids as a 6"6 20 year old, I'd say that less fans are giving up on him than a few months ago. It would take a potential top 3 D or potential 1st line fwd to trade him I think, as despite his weaknesses, he projects to be a certain NHL-er and one whose size, net front skills and lack of glaring weaknesses as a 2 way center give him quite a lot of value. I think most wings fans see him as a special teams specialist 3rd line winger, but his physical gifts, work ethic and likely increase in strength give a small chance of a higher ceiling.
     
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    Svech was mentioned because of his brother. Fleury instantly turns the D into NHL level once DDK returns:

    DDK-Hronek
    Nemeth-Green
    Fleury-Cholo

    Bowey and McIlrath as spares, Seider takes Green's place next season.

    I'd trade any one fo the prospects for Fleury, really don't care which one as long as it's only one plus maybe a lower level prospect or pick.
     

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