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Zack Phillips - Saint John Sea Dogs, QMJHL
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I was hoping he wouldnt get too much atention....I keep saying it for some reason I have this gut feeling hes gonna be awsome in a few years....wish he would fall to he 2nd like toffoli but i dnt see that happening....
He's at his best when he's working hard. Digging in the corners, fighting for open ice, working against the boards. He's only listed at 6'00 and 180lbs, but he's got a solid build.
With that said, I've heard scouts complain when he doesn't work that hard. I've heard guys complain about him not playing physical, not being the first guy in the corner, never being the one to initiate contact, things like that. A bit of inconsistent effort, shift-to-shift and game-to-game.
I think he benefits a bit from the players he plays with. It seems a bit of a set play for Beaulieu to feed a pass from the point through traffic on the powerplay onto Phillips' waiting stick between the faceoff dot and the goal line and then for Phillips to fire it home. I'm a big fan of Huberdeau's playmaking and I definitely think Phillips has benefited from playing on his line as well.
I'm not sure if he's as good as the stats might suggest right now, but it's hard to say for the future. I don't see him being a first round pick, for instance.
With that said, I've heard scouts complain when he doesn't work that hard. I've heard guys complain about him not playing physical, not being the first guy in the corner, never being the one to initiate contact, things like that. A bit of inconsistent effort, shift-to-shift and game-to-game.
I think he benefits a bit from the players he plays with. It seems a bit of a set play for Beaulieu to feed a pass from the point through traffic on the powerplay onto Phillips' waiting stick between the faceoff dot and the goal line and then for Phillips to fire it home. I'm a big fan of Huberdeau's playmaking and I definitely think Phillips has benefited from playing on his line as well.
I'm not sure if he's as good as the stats might suggest right now, but it's hard to say for the future. I don't see him being a first round pick, for instance.
it's not just huberdeau, also the fact that there are 2 very good offensive dmen on the team.
similar to the effect that ottawa may be having on prince, scouts just have a hard time ranking a good young player playing with a bunch of better young players.
similar to the effect that ottawa may be having on prince, scouts just have a hard time ranking a good young player playing with a bunch of better young players.
Those who suggested Beaulieu feeds Phillips are completely false ... Phillips plays the PP along the boards and they often look for the point man for the 1-timer not Phillips.
He's doesn't mind physical play although he's often not the one initiating I wouldn't say he avoids it ... He had a few fights last year but hasn't had any this year yet.
The biggest problem Phillips has is skating ... He will need to improve his skating but he'd be the first person to admit that. Huberdeau does play with Phillips 90% of the time because they play very well together.
I watch almost every game including road games and I'd peg Phillips as a 2nd RD pick
He's doesn't mind physical play although he's often not the one initiating I wouldn't say he avoids it ... He had a few fights last year but hasn't had any this year yet.
The biggest problem Phillips has is skating ... He will need to improve his skating but he'd be the first person to admit that. Huberdeau does play with Phillips 90% of the time because they play very well together.
I watch almost every game including road games and I'd peg Phillips as a 2nd RD pick
philips
before you suggest a player benefits from another perhaps you should do the responsible thing and drill down just a bit espically if in Forbsie position of having a title attached to your name.
Last year philips had 44 points playing 4th line, 16 goals all of which were even strength.In comparision huberdeau had 35 points and played the second half with kirkpatrick and had plenty of PP time while philips had virtually none, in comparison also, galiev a 3rd rounder had 8 even strength goals and played with hoff/peterson...go back another year to prep hockey on the ushr website the kid had more points than any sophmore in nengland prep hockey and just 4 less than chris kreider who was a first rounder that year, but yet for whatever reson this kid never gets the respect he deserves, espically on the
chirp boards--mark it down he'll be gone in the first round no later than 18, the last few rankings are 32 mckenzie, 10 hockey news(ryan kennedy), 7(hoffener), 19(kimmelman), 13(morrelei)excuse spelling and 12 central scouting
before you suggest a player benefits from another perhaps you should do the responsible thing and drill down just a bit espically if in Forbsie position of having a title attached to your name.
Last year philips had 44 points playing 4th line, 16 goals all of which were even strength.In comparision huberdeau had 35 points and played the second half with kirkpatrick and had plenty of PP time while philips had virtually none, in comparison also, galiev a 3rd rounder had 8 even strength goals and played with hoff/peterson...go back another year to prep hockey on the ushr website the kid had more points than any sophmore in nengland prep hockey and just 4 less than chris kreider who was a first rounder that year, but yet for whatever reson this kid never gets the respect he deserves, espically on the
chirp boards--mark it down he'll be gone in the first round no later than 18, the last few rankings are 32 mckenzie, 10 hockey news(ryan kennedy), 7(hoffener), 19(kimmelman), 13(morrelei)excuse spelling and 12 central scouting
I like Phillips a lot, always have, even when he wasnt lighting it up last year as a rookie...but if he goes top 10, or even top 20 for that matter, there is something seriously wrong with the depth of this draft.
I'll explain what I mean a bit more.
I feel that when Phillips is on the ice alongside of Jurco and Huberdeau, he's not the first or second option that the defense seems to focus on. This isn't necessarily a slight on Phillips, it's more a testament to why the Sea Dogs are playing so well this season (and why Phillips is as well).
I don't think Phillips is the most dangerous player on his line in Saint John and I feel that opposing defenses match up against that line with a similar thought process. I feel that by playing alongside of Huberdeau and Jurco, Phillips is afforded a bit of extra room, a bit of extra time and that helps him be successful. It doesn't hurt him that Huberdeau (and those blueliners) are no slouch at moving the puck to an open man either.
Again, I don't think that this is a slight against Phillips, more of a statement on the Sea Dogs as a whole. Huberdeau, Phillips, Jurco, they all complement each other extremely well and as a unit, they play better than individually. I don't think Phillips would be putting up these numbers if he didn't have these linemates, but I would say the same thing about Huberdeau and Jurco.
Im with Forbsie on this one...
Its not like Phillips is a mega leech and is a horrible player and is only putting up numbers because he plays with Huberdeau...but its qite obvious to anyone who watches them play that Huberdeau is the better of two and that Phillips benefits from the fact he plays with Huberdeau.
Huberdeau makes players around him better...I dont see that with Phillips...
All those Jurcos should be Anthonys
Jurco got moved off his line around the end of November.
All those Jurcos should be Anthonys
Jurco got moved off his line around the end of November.
Yeah, the last time I saw them was while Jurco was at the World Juniors. I wasn't sure if Anthony was on there filling the spot or if that was a permanent move.
Jonathen Huberdeau is a terrific player. Zack philips is a terrific player. Jonathen huberdeau was not at lawrence Academy when as a 15 year old phillips had BC, BU, Northeastern, Princeton, Harvard and UNH scolarship offers before deciding on Umass/Amherst. Zack phllips was not playing Midget AAA hockey in Quebec when Hubie was leading the rookies in scoring.
Kevin,any scouts that have any integrity would not share thoughts on players if they thought you would share those with people on chirp boards.
Lala you have stated your opinion in regards to the depth of the draft should beaulieu or philips go first round before, why you feel the need to repeat yourself Im not sure. Your knowledge of the QMJHL is unmatched however as far as the pro game goes you havent seen enuff guys across the country to give an educated perspective. The Q comes thru HFX, but the O does not nor does the W
Beaulieu will be gone in the first round and so will Philips. I made the trip to the ACC last night so i can speak from experience after watching Puempel/Saad/jenner/Lessio and some others and was at the USHL fall classic where i saw the americans top guys.
Each teams draft lists differ obviously some have not even been formed yet, for example detroit waits till after this event to form theirs while other meet last weekend. Some teams have Hubie before Couturier, some have couturier before hubie, some have philips before Hubie as a top 10 guy some have beaulieu top 10. What i can tell you with near absolute certainity is that the sea dogs will have 3 guys go very very early.
In closing Hubie/philips certainly compliment each other and clearly they both benefit each other , after all skill should play with skill. Not unlike in Portland where Johnasen/Ross/Niederater compliment each other---or in the past in Drummondville where couturier has been blessed with great linemates.
Kevin,any scouts that have any integrity would not share thoughts on players if they thought you would share those with people on chirp boards.
Lala you have stated your opinion in regards to the depth of the draft should beaulieu or philips go first round before, why you feel the need to repeat yourself Im not sure. Your knowledge of the QMJHL is unmatched however as far as the pro game goes you havent seen enuff guys across the country to give an educated perspective. The Q comes thru HFX, but the O does not nor does the W
Beaulieu will be gone in the first round and so will Philips. I made the trip to the ACC last night so i can speak from experience after watching Puempel/Saad/jenner/Lessio and some others and was at the USHL fall classic where i saw the americans top guys.
Each teams draft lists differ obviously some have not even been formed yet, for example detroit waits till after this event to form theirs while other meet last weekend. Some teams have Hubie before Couturier, some have couturier before hubie, some have philips before Hubie as a top 10 guy some have beaulieu top 10. What i can tell you with near absolute certainity is that the sea dogs will have 3 guys go very very early.
In closing Hubie/philips certainly compliment each other and clearly they both benefit each other , after all skill should play with skill. Not unlike in Portland where Johnasen/Ross/Niederater compliment each other---or in the past in Drummondville where couturier has been blessed with great linemates.
No they won't. Phillips isn't a good enough skater to go above 25th or so. And he's more likely to be a 2nd rounder.
You seem to have some sort of connection to the Saint John players...and thats fine...but lets just agree to disagree on this matter.
Phillips...like I said...im a big fan of his, even dating back to his days at Eaglebrooke...i just dont think he goes top 20 in the draft, its not like im stating he should retire because he has no future in the game.
Its true I havent seen all the players across the country, but ive followed hockey for over 20 years and worked in hockey for over 10...I think i know a bit more about the pro game than you think...plus im just stating that if you take an average draft crop...Phillips and Beaulieu shouldnt be top 20 guys...if they are that leads me to believe its a weak draft. Thats all.
scoutman1
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Ya trust me too LaLa is a bit more qualified than most on this board to make judgement...I agree with Lala and Forbes on this Phillips is not a 1st round pick and if a team does take him 1st well they should have done more research before taking him....I also agree Beaulieu should not be a top 20 talent, his defensive game needs a lot of improvment, he needs to learn when to jump up and when not too...his awareness on the ice needs a lot of work, great offensive game though.
FolignoQuantumLeap
Don't Hold The Door
Zack Phillips
My latest vid.
Here's my short scouting report on him for those who don't want to open another window:
2011 NHL Draft prospect Zack Phillips of the QMJHL's Saint Johns Sea Dogs.
He's known for his smart two way game and playmaking. He is a natural center although he's been playing on fellow top prospect, Jonathan Huberdeau's wing for most of the 2010-11 season. However, he does take the brunt of the face off work. He's thrived in the the role, accumulating 92 points in 64 games, ranking him 7th overall in the league.
38 of those points have been goals, so its safe to say he's not one dimensional. He's a good shooter who can finish plays and pick his spots in open space. Still, his best attribute is his ability to distribute the puck. This strength doesn't arise from flashy plays or over handling of the puck but smart positioning, good decision making and playing hard.
His skating may not be a weakness but its likely holding him back from being considered a surefire 1st rounder at this point. If he does continue to develop and improve his straight line speed and acceleration he could very well become a versatile top 6 forward in the NHL one day.
My latest vid.
Here's my short scouting report on him for those who don't want to open another window:
2011 NHL Draft prospect Zack Phillips of the QMJHL's Saint Johns Sea Dogs.
He's known for his smart two way game and playmaking. He is a natural center although he's been playing on fellow top prospect, Jonathan Huberdeau's wing for most of the 2010-11 season. However, he does take the brunt of the face off work. He's thrived in the the role, accumulating 92 points in 64 games, ranking him 7th overall in the league.
38 of those points have been goals, so its safe to say he's not one dimensional. He's a good shooter who can finish plays and pick his spots in open space. Still, his best attribute is his ability to distribute the puck. This strength doesn't arise from flashy plays or over handling of the puck but smart positioning, good decision making and playing hard.
His skating may not be a weakness but its likely holding him back from being considered a surefire 1st rounder at this point. If he does continue to develop and improve his straight line speed and acceleration he could very well become a versatile top 6 forward in the NHL one day.
Flamefan1
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Looks a lot like Giroux to me in this vid. (as a comparable, at least- not a projection)
FolignoQuantumLeap
Don't Hold The Door
IMO Tomas Fleischmann would be a fair comparison. A more lofty and ambitious prediction would be a Zetterberg-esque player.
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