Player Discussion Zach Parise

[W75]

He can have his feelings and millions too. It's only human, the second guessing. As long as they don't dictate how the team is built. Team should be built to gain the best possible outcome, either now or in the future.

Minnesota Wild will win the Stanley Cup some day or not. And players who play in that team when it happens will too or not.

If Parise went elsewhere, it's not granted the same teams would've won the Cups. Because the building blocks would've been different. Kind of like butterfly effect.

 

[57special]

Anyone notice Parise this preseason? Yeah, me neither.

 

[P10p]

Maybe at 35(?) he finally has learned he needs to pace himself?

 

[2Pair]

Anyone notice Parise this preseason? Yeah, me neither.

Parise's only great talent is hustle and effort. I don't care if he shows any of that in the preseason.

 

[57special]

Yeah, that's what i'm hoping.

 

[Wild11MN]

Parise's only great talent is hustle and effort. I don't care if he shows any of that in the preseason.

If that's all it takes to be a 9x 25-goal scorer, I'll be in the league in no time.

 

[2Pair]

If that's all it takes to be a 9x 25-goal scorer, I'll be in the league in no time.

No, to do that requires the coach building the PP around you and playing you about 20 minutes a night.

 

[Wild11MN]

No, to do that requires the coach building the PP around you and playing you about 20 minutes a night.

Right.

I know this is going nowhere so I'm out.

 

[2Pair]

Right.

I know this is going nowhere so I'm out.

Numbers don't lie

 

[Wild11MN]

Numbers don't lie

What stats do you believe in?

 

[Webster]

Parise now plays with the lizard who will put the puck on his blade, he just has to finish.

Wait until the season starts.

 

[2Pair]

What stats do you believe in?

TOI is the one you're looking for in this instance.

 

[Wild11MN]

TOI is the one you're looking for in this instance.

Not something like P/60?

 

[2Pair]

Not something like P/60?

I was just pointing out that Parise's offensive output isn't all that impressive when he plays the minutes that he does.

 

[BagHead]

I was just pointing out that Parise's offensive output isn't all that impressive when he plays the minutes that he does.

I mean... he lead the team in scoring last year, and has been one of the best producers on this team since his arrival. Before that he was one of the best producers on the Devils, and that team had Kovalchuk. I'm not saying today's Parise is New Jersey's Parise, but clearly there are/were other skills there besides trying really hard.

 

[2Pair]

I mean... he lead the team in scoring last year, and has been one of the best producers on this team since his arrival. Before that he was one of the best producers on the Devils, and that team had Kovalchuk. I'm not saying today's Parise is New Jersey's Parise, but clearly there are/were other skills there besides trying really hard.

Because he plays more minutes than everyone else. Play Zucker 20 minutes a night with all the prime scoring opportunities and build the PP around him and I bet he outproduces Parise. And nobody thinks Zucker is a star. Nino was better than both and he got run out of town because of icetime.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Because he plays more minutes than everyone else. Play Zucker 20 minutes a night with all the prime scoring opportunities and build the PP around him and I bet he outproduces Parise. And nobody thinks Zucker is a star. Nino was better than both and he got run out of town because of icetime.

Nobody is calling Parise a "star". They just have the gall to call him "not unskilled".

 

[2Pair]

Nobody is calling Parise a "star". They just have the gall to call him "not unskilled".

Ok, what "skill" does Parise possess that is very good by NHL standards?

 

[BagHead]

Todd Fedoruk worked pretty hard and played on the 1st line for a significant amount of time. Didn't see him lighting it up.

Ok, what "skill" does Parise possess that is very good by NHL standards?

Hockey sense and eye-hand coordination. I should note, I mean offensive-zone hockey sense.

 

[2Pair]

Todd Fedoruk worked pretty hard and played on the 1st line for a significant amount of time. Didn't see him lighting it up.



Hockey sense and eye-hand coordination. I should note, I mean offensive-zone hockey sense.

Don't remember Fedoruk playing 20 minutes a night and being featured on the PP?

I agree with you about the hand/eye. He's outstanding with that. Can't agree with the hockey sense. He's a tunnel vision, everything to the net player.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Ok, what "skill" does Parise possess that is very good by NHL standards?

You don't need to be a dangler to have NHL level hockey skill. Your dislike for the player is showing.

Hockey sense and eye-hand coordination. I should note, I mean offensive-zone hockey sense.

What he said.

 

[BagHead]

What he said...



You don't need to be a dangler to have NHL level hockey skill. Your dislike for the player is showing.

I'm guessing these replies are flipped?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'm guessing these replies are flipped?

Ha. Yeah.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Nobody is calling Parise a "star". They just have the gall to call him "not unskilled".

I'm calling him a star. He scored 90+ points in New Jersey in his prime. It's not his fault that while in Minnesota he played with some of the most offensively inept centers in the league.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'm calling him a star. He scored 90+ points in New Jersey in his prime. It's not his fault that while in Minnesota he played with some of the most offensively inept centers in the league.

So he WAS a star, at 25. He's kind of a long ways from that age now.

And in his best year in NJ, the top 3 scoring centers were Zajac (62 points), Zubrus (40 points) and Madden (23 points).

And knowing that this a shot at Koivu, Parise's first 2 years in Minnesota (pre-Granlund), Koivu played at a 63 point level (lockout-shortened season) and 68 point level (injury-shortened season).