Zach Bogosian on waivers, thoughts??

[Nithoniniel]

At the beginning of the year, it was. I think cap is calculated daily.

Absolutely not. Cap hit doesn't change. Money owed does...hit does not

You're actually both right.

The cap hit of a player is what he'll cost over an entire season. It is calculated on a day-per-day basis as a projection through a full season. Outside of situations like with Nylander last year, this only matters for trades and it's largely just semantics. So let's say that it's the TDL and we have acquired this player. His cap hit is the same, what he will cost in total to both teams across the season is still the same. What percentage he'll cost us across the rest of the season is the same as what he would have cost us if he had been here the whole season. It's just a matter of how you present it.

Man, that was maybe not the best explanation. I'll try with an example instead:

We want to trade for a player after exactly half the season. He has a cap hit of $2M. That means he uses up $1M of that on his old team, and the rest on ours. You can describe that in two ways:

1. His overall cap hit is $2M, and we draw that from the $81.5M salary cap we have overall this season.
2. His remaining cap hit is $1M, and we draw that from the $40.75M salary cap that remains this season.

Both are correct. It only becomes incorrect when you mix the two, like if you say that he costs $2M but we only have $40.75M space left, or that he costs us $1M of our $81.5M full season budget.

 

[Nithoniniel]

There is no risk here Nithoniniel. Put him in the 5/6 slot. Can't possibly be worse than Marincin. He's cheap and its possible a change of scenery will light a fire under his ass.

He is most definitely not cheap. He's insanely overpaid. And I'm pretty sure he actually is worse than Marincin. Besides, he doesn't need to just be better than Martin, he needs to be better than all the players above him in the depth chart.

Bogosian doesn't lack for motivation. That has never been his problem. He's dumb as bricks and he no longer has the ability to cover for that with natural talent.

 

[member 300185]

He is most definitely not cheap. He's insanely overpaid. And I'm pretty sure he actually is worse than Marincin. Besides, he doesn't need to just be better than Martin, he needs to be better than all the players above him in the depth chart.

Bogosian doesn't lack for motivation. That has never been his problem. He's dumb as bricks and he no longer has the ability to cover for that with natural talent.

Not that expensive. Only 2 mil or just under for the remaining balance of the schedule. Everyone is going to fail in Buffalo. You know that.

 

[Fatass]

Not that expensive. Only 2 mil or just under for the remaining balance of the schedule. Everyone is going to fail in Buffalo. You know that.

He’s still a decent player, no? What’s wrong in Buffalo?

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

He’s still a decent player, no? What’s wrong in Buffalo?

No. Bogosian is terrible.

That fact that people want this guy shows that people are stuck in a time loop from 2-3 years ago (Manson/Larsson are other examples) We need players that are good now that will actually improve the team.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Not that expensive. Only 2 mil or just under for the remaining balance of the schedule. Everyone is going to fail in Buffalo. You know that.

Sort of like how Ceci and Harpur were just ruined by a dreadful Ottawa, right? My experience is that when you have a player that is awful compared to the rest of an awful team, he's not actually secretly good.

As for the cap hit, read what I wrote above. It doesn't work like you seem to think. He's either a $5.1M player we use our remaining $7.2M on, or he's a ~$2M player we use our remaining ~$2.8M on. Either way, it's way too much and we couldn't possible use that space worse.

 

[Mess]

We already had our own Bogosian his name was Cody Ceci.

Same level of play received from both players this year and we already have seen how that turned out.

Replacing the injured Ceci with Bogosian (ignoring if it works cap wise) wouldn't even seem like that great an idea if the ultimate objective is improvement and not more of the same. IMO

 

[MyBudJT]

We already had our own Bogosian his name was Cody Ceci.

Same level of play received from both players this year and we already have seen how that turned out.

Replacing the injured Ceci with Bogosian (ignoring if it works cap wise) wouldn't even seem like that great an idea if the ultimate objective is improvement and not more of the same. IMO

Ceci has been one of our more reliable defensmen this season...

 

[Ciao]

Mmmm . . . Kind of like dragging the couch left at the side of the curb into the house. No thanks.

 

[96]

Lmfao!

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

We already had our own Bogosian his name was Cody Ceci.

Same level of play received from both players this year and we already have seen how that turned out.

Replacing the injured Ceci with Bogosian (ignoring if it works cap wise) wouldn't even seem like that great an idea if the ultimate objective is improvement and not more of the same. IMO

I'm not a fan of Ceci at all but Bogosian has been far, far worse than Ceci this year.

 

[Hogan86]

Thoughts??....

Let Bogosian keep on waiving. All the way to the AHL. We don't need a right shot Martin Marincin on our team. If you paid close attention the last few years Bogo was on the Sabres, he was really really bad. Makes Tavares look like McDavid in the skating department. Would much rather finish the season with Sandin and Lili than have Bogo waste a roster spot.

 

[member 300185]

Sort of like how Ceci and Harpur were just ruined by a dreadful Ottawa, right? My experience is that when you have a player that is awful compared to the rest of an awful team, he's not actually secretly good.

As for the cap hit, read what I wrote above. It doesn't work like you seem to think. He's either a $5.1M player we use our remaining $7.2M on, or he's a ~$2M player we use our remaining ~$2.8M on. Either way, it's way too much and we couldn't possible use that space worse.

Thats right, its his cap hit against the cap, but it is only costing the remaining amount of his yearly salary which is slightly below 2 mil.

 

[kb]

Thats right, its his cap hit against the cap, but it is only costing the remaining amount of his yearly salary which is slightly below 2 mil.

If he could play it would be fine. But he's just not good. Injuries and a lack of grey matter have conspired to make him waiver fodder.

 

[LeafGrief]

I think that it's incredible how wide ranging the opinion of some Leafs fans go.

If Lucic was on waivers we'd get a thread like this asking if he could return to 30g form playing in our top6.

The answer to both your question and my hypothetical is f*** NO

 

[mulefarm]

Would give us some grit on the back end!

 

[kb]

Would give us some grit on the back end!

And worse defense.

 

[deepthoughtsleafs]

It's what I tell my children to say when I take them to Catholic school and a Priest approaches them.

"No touchie please"

 

[Man Bear Pig]

I dont think some here realise how bad he is. And hes been bad for a long time now, it's not just in the last few years.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

I remember wishing we'd somehow landed him rather than Schenn. But that was a dozen years ago. Solid no.

Totally agree. He was a beast in junior.
But like Schenn rushed into the NHL. SAD.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

He obviously shouldn't be the 1st or 2nd option.

But if all else fails, I really dont see the downside to giving him a chance to see if he can reclaim his former self. Especially if he comes for a very low cost.

He has a nasty side that we're desperately missing on the back end. But if he doesnt pan out, than bench him. Like I said, the cost to acquiring him should be peanuts

What's his former self.?

 

[Da Cool Rula]

There is no risk here Nithoniniel. Put him in the 5/6 slot. Can't possibly be worse than Marincin. He's cheap and its possible a change of scenery will light a fire under his ass.

13 years in the NHL what makes you think anyone can light a fire? He is what he is.

 

[OVO16]

What's his former self.?

The one that signed the 7yr contract

 

[bodechek]

The Sabres are in a more dire need than the Leafs. If he was any good, he wouldn't of been demoted

 

[Funk21]

Injury prone Zach Bogosian on waivers, healthy scratch last seven out of eight games. Right shot d man worth a look or no?

Keep him there, suspect there Canes may pick him up. He is not what we need at all.