Dreger: Zach Bogosian has requested a trade

[DougieSmash]

I remember being hyped about Bogo potential. He was good in 08-10.

 

[SabresSharks]

Needs a team where his fishing and hunting game can truly flourish. Think the wings and beef on weck have held him back.

 

[larmex99]

yeah..I was thinking maybe the Jets, but that's a hefty cap hit. Bogo obviously didn't think about this clearly enough.

He requested a trade from Winnipeg, so unlikely the Jets are looking for an oft-injured malcontent.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Then he will have to do what Kevin Shattenkirk did. Sign for pennies on the dollar next off season. The two factors right now he is not worth 5 mil a year in real salary or cap. No one will take a chance to trade anything for him and Buffalo has no reason to sweeten the deal with another player or pick to move him. If sent down he clears waivers for the same reason.

I think ultimately you are probably right. His health and lackluster play has destroyed almost all value he might have had. Maybe someone takes him on at 50% retained to play a bottom pairing role or a more likely scenario they have an underperforming pending UFA they can swap. That's about the only way Bogo gets what he wants. Buffalo certainly isn't unloading that contract without retention or salary coming back.

 

[MagnumForce2]

Why would we pay to get rid of him? He is a Free Agent at the end of this year.

 

[SharkInABoloTie]

Bogo+2nd for Namestnikov?

Make it Pageau and we got a deal

 

[Sabreality]

I think ultimately you are probably right. His health and lackluster play has destroyed almost all value he might have had. Maybe someone takes him on at 50% retained to play a bottom pairing role or a more likely scenario they have an underperforming pending UFA they can swap. That's about the only way Bogo gets what he wants. Buffalo certainly isn't unloading that contract without retention or salary coming back.

yeah there aren't many options really in the 1 for 1 salary swap. Looking at underachieving UFA F's to be making over $4m, the list is small...Galchenyuk, Craig Smith, Frolik & Boedker. Not sure any of these teams need Bogo, MAYBE Nashville? I could see Bogo fitting in there and may be an upgrade over Irwin/Weber, Craig Smith is an upgrade over ERod at least, maybe Sheary.

 

[Metallo]

It’s clear what going on here. Bogo has never played in the playoffs and sees that Buffalo might make it. No way that he wants to work overtime and not get paid.

 

[absolute garbage]

I could see Arizona interested. They kinda need a physical #5/6 right shot defenseman. Bogo sucks, but should be better than Bush.

Just need the salaries to work out. Maybe a trade around Stepan, depends on how Buffalo sees Stepan and whether they want to carry his salary next season (unlike Bogo he's got one year remaining). Stepan sucks, but Buffalo could see him as an option given their current centers outside of Eichel suck too.

 

[Hunter368]

He requested a trade from Winnipeg, so unlikely the Jets are looking for an oft-injured malcontent.

Less then zero interest in Bogo to the Jets, he’s way over paid for what he is now which is a fragile bottom pairing D. Jets don’t need any help on the bottom pairing.

 

[Srsly]

I could see Arizona interested. They kinda need a physical #5/6 right shot defenseman. Bogo sucks, but should be better than Bush.

Just need the salaries to work out. Maybe a trade around Stepan, depends on how Buffalo sees Stepan and whether they want to carry his salary next season (unlike Bogo he's got one year remaining). Stepan sucks, but Buffalo could see him as an option given their current centers outside of Eichel suck too.

As someone who hasn’t followed Arizona in recent years I thought you were out of your mind prior to looking up Stepan’s stats over the last two seasons. I think you maybe on to something though as both players are struggling former highly touted prospects that have performed at a high level for limited periods of time and fell off sooner than one would think. It’s a classic change of scenery hockey trade in that sense. I don’t think Bogo is seen as being much better than he is.

 

[tsujimoto74]

I could see Arizona interested. They kinda need a physical #5/6 right shot defenseman. Bogo sucks, but should be better than Bush.

Just need the salaries to work out. Maybe a trade around Stepan, depends on how Buffalo sees Stepan and whether they want to carry his salary next season (unlike Bogo he's got one year remaining). Stepan sucks, but Buffalo could see him as an option given their current centers outside of Eichel suck too.

Stepan's extra year 100% kills that idea. The Sabres are gonna need the cap space we have coming free this summer to re-sign players who don't suck.

 

[absolute garbage]

As someone who hasn’t followed Arizona in recent years I thought you were out of your mind prior to looking up Stepan’s stats over the last two seasons. I think you maybe on to something though as both players are struggling former highly touted prospects that have performed at a high level for limited periods of time and fell off sooner than one would think. It’s a classic change of scenery hockey trade in that sense. I don’t think Bogo is seen as being much better than he is.

Yeah, agreed. It's a change of scenery type of move and Buffalo could be hoping Stepan rediscovers something.

Stepan's extra year 100% kills that idea. The Sabres are gonna need the cap space we have coming free this summer to re-sign players who don't suck.

Yeah. Like I said, it depends on how they see him. As far as having cap space for summer for guys who don't suck, well we've seen how that goes more often than not. Stepan with that one extra year is much better than Okposo v2.0 with 5 extra years. So good luck finding those. Not that it's an excuse to waste 6.5 on Stepan, but like I said they could see him as someone who does at least something for them and gives depth unlike Bogo apparently.

edit: looking at their cap for next season, they have ~35M cap space and the only relevant players to sign are Reinhart, Oloffson and Montour. It shouldn't be a huge issue if they think they can improve their club now for essentially nothing.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Would Anisimov for Bogosian hold any intrigue?

Alternately, I would do Tierney + Boedker for Bogosian + 2nd (and maybe another medium asset)

 

[tsujimoto74]

Yeah, agreed. It's a change of scenery type of move and Buffalo could be hoping Stepan rediscovers something.

Yeah. Like I said, it depends on how they see him. As far as having cap space for summer for guys who don't suck, well we've seen how that goes more often than not. Stepan with that one extra year is much better than Okposo v2.0 with 5 extra years. So good luck finding those. Not that it's an excuse to waste 6.5 on Stepan, but like I said they could see him as someone who does at least something for them and gives depth unlike Bogo apparently.

edit: looking at their cap for next season, they have ~35M cap space and the only relevant players to sign are Reinhart, Oloffson and Montour. It shouldn't be a huge issue if they think they can improve their club now for essentially nothing.

We have our own RFAs and UFAs to sign. Reinhart's probably getting 6.5-7MM, Olofsson won't be cheap either. Montour's gonna get a pay raise. Ullmark might be in line for a sizeable raise if he continues to succeed in the starter's role he's taken over. Larsson and Girgensons both need contracts (I'd figure them in between $2-3MM each). Plus, Pilut and Mittelstadt are RFAs, too. They're probably in line more for bridge deals than anything else at this point, but there's a lot of season left.

I'm not risking losing any of those guys to have Stepan sitting there eating $6.5MM of space.

Edit: Not to mention that doesn't even work for our cap this year. We can't afford to add salary in any trade.

 

[absolute garbage]

We have our own RFAs and UFAs to sign. Reinhart's probably getting 6.5-7MM, Olofsson won't be cheap either. Montour's gonna get a pay raise. Ullmark might be in line for a sizeable raise if he continues to succeed in the starter's role he's taken over. Larsson and Girgensons both need contracts (I'd figure them in between $2-3MM each). Plus, Pilut and Mittelstadt are RFAs, too. They're probably in line more for bridge deals than anything else at this point, but there's a lot of season left.

I'm not risking losing any of those guys to have Stepan sitting there eating $6.5MM of space.

Edit: Not to mention that doesn't even work for our cap this year. We can't afford to add salary in any trade.

Yes. Those first 3 players I mentioned too will probably make something between 15-20M. The rest? Ulmark needs to go on a massive run to make more than 2-3M next year. Larsson and Girgensons are dime in a dozen grinders who are lucky to make 2M/yr. Pilut and Mittelstadt are lucky to be in the NHL and make 1M/yr.

It certainly works for your cap now with the LTIRs, although if those come back(?) some moves would be necessary. But that's the case now too. Maybe you could get Arizona retaining ~1.4M to make salaries even, which would help a bit next season too.

 

[RWatson29]

Would Anisimov for Bogosian hold any intrigue?

Alternately, I would do Tierney + Boedker for Bogosian + 2nd (and maybe another medium asset)

id be intrigued to get tierney

 

[Siludin]

What's the value on Bogosian?
Can't get much more than what Del Zotto or Schenn got last year, you figure. A 4th or a 5th round pick?
If he truly wants out, I say Buffalo opts for a reclamation project with higher NHL potential than a late pick.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Yes. Those first 3 players I mentioned too will probably make something between 15-20M. The rest? Ulmark needs to go on a massive run to make more than 2-3M next year. Larsson and Girgensons are dime in a dozen grinders who are lucky to make 2M/yr. Pilut and Mittelstadt are lucky to be in the NHL and make 1M/yr.

It certainly works for your cap now with the LTIRs, although if those come back(?) some moves would be necessary. But that's the case now too. Maybe you could get Arizona retaining ~1.4M to make salaries even, which would help a bit next season too.

Not gonna lie, I just noticed your user name and thought "why is Zach Bogosian on HF, responding to my posts?"

I think your evaluations of those players are a little off. Larsson and Girgensons are excellent at their roles. Pilut should be in the NHL right now. Mittelstadt shouldn't be, but he is, so he's probably getting more than the two-way contract he ought to.

 

[absolute garbage]

Not gonna lie, I just noticed your user name and thought "why is Zach Bogosian on HF, responding to my posts?"

I think your evaluations of those players are a little off. Larsson and Girgensons are excellent at their roles. Pilut should be in the NHL right now. Mittelstadt shouldn't be, but he is, so he's probably getting more than the two-way contract he ought to.

I mean, they can be "excellent" at their roles but career 20 point players ultimately shouldn't have much leverage. I can see a world where someone overpays for a guy like that close to 3M but it shouldn't happen. Maybe Pilut should be in the NHL but he isn't. They are both currently borderline NHLers who should never get more than 1M.

My point simply was that if Buffalo management thought a swap like that would benefit them and give them veteran center depth this season as well as next, I don't think that extra year would be a deal killer. Especially if the cap hit came down at Bogo level via slight retain by Arizona.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Would Anisimov for Bogosian hold any intrigue?

Alternately, I would do Tierney + Boedker for Bogosian + 2nd (and maybe another medium asset)

I’d do the second trade.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Cap hit means any deal will be close to deadline day.

 

[boredmale]

Cap hit means any deal will be close to deadline day.

Few teams like Avs, montreal, Arizona and Islanders can trade for him now without worrying about caphit(not saying they will but...).

 

[Buffdog]

He requested a trade from Winnipeg, so unlikely the Jets are looking for an oft-injured malcontent.

Don't think he did. I fact, I recall him being choked up over being dealt. He was loving living in St Adolphe and he was enjoying the outdoor lifestyle.

It's been widely speculated that the jets wanted to move him for reasons not pertaining to his on ice play and the Sabres gm at the time liked him since his draft year.

 

[Panthaz89]

I mean, they can be "excellent" at their roles but career 20 point players ultimately shouldn't have much leverage. I can see a world where someone overpays for a guy like that close to 3M but it shouldn't happen. Maybe Pilut should be in the NHL but he isn't. They are both currently borderline NHLers who should never get more than 1M.

My point simply was that if Buffalo management thought a swap like that would benefit them and give them veteran center depth this season as well as next, I don't think that extra year would be a deal killer. Especially if the cap hit came down at Bogo level via slight retain by Arizona.

Larsson is definitely good enough to justify 3M not that productive offensively but shuts down pretty much anyone he's playing against and is having his best offensive season atm.