I can't speak for what anyone else did, but I voted for what I think his value is to us, not what he's actually gonna get.
I understand but for me, the answer to this question would be the same for every player. I "would be ok" to pay market value for every player. And that you like Ceci or not, he is absolutely worth over 4 M$ on the market.
It's not my fault or his fault that he has been played like a TOP PAIRING D-MAN for the last 3 years.
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94 D-men made over 4 M$ this year and many are 2nd paring D-men (o even worse sometimes). What can you do? Dorion/Boucher (Melnyk) are responsible for this.
His situation is a bit unique, can't go back in time and play him in the right chair going forward so I have to be consistent with the way I analyze things; that,s why I can't be mad if a player is paid market value. If it was "up to me" Karlsson, Stone and Duchene would be all signed long-term at 6.0-7.0 M$ per season and without any signing bonuses or non-movement clauses.
Before calling everyone but yourself insane maybe read the question in the thread a little closer. It's not "what is Cecis market value?" It's what would you be happy signing him for, and most agree he is a poor fit for our organization and needs to move on. If he accepts a huge underpayment for 2-3 years sure fine. It doesn't matter what Ceci would willingly accept. **** em.
And a package of Ceci and Tierney (who you like to point out is very far down our depth chart in the rebuild) for Dougie Hamilton??? I mean why stop there, let's trade two other B assets for a first line center!
Also strange why writers for the Athletic, SN and NHL.com have noted since 2016 Ceci has been crushed in possession metrics and now the Sens are in quite the predicament of what to do with him...
lol it certainly wasn't meant to be taken so literally. Of course, I don't think I'm the only sane person on this board and for the record I don't even consider myself totally sane and don't think anyone is. Human being is very complex. I guess I'll change it to not "offend" anybody since it's so easy on the internet.
Anyway, you're right about the question but my answer is the same as I explained above. I "would be ok" paying him market value (why wouldn't I? It's not my money and every player deserves to be paid market value). If it was "what would you be happy with?", then my answer would be "way under market value" so I can have the best team possible and Melnyk might not look at dismantling it at every opportunity.
Hamilton is not the prime asset he used to be, he hasn't been "great" the last 2 years and is turning 26 y/o very soon, 2 years away from UFA. It wasn't mean to be a proposal (but more the type of trade they need to do) as I seriously don't know enough about the Canes needs. Really don't think they would need Tierney as they have Jordan Staal under contract for 4 more seasons. Hamilton scores a lot of goals for a D-man but "only" 13 more pts than Ceci this season, he is far from perfect defensively too. I believe Ceci can be a good #4 in the right system and role. And it's not that I think that Tierney is bad or anything, it's just that I would like the team to sell high on him because he certainly has some value. I'd rather keep Pageau as a defensive center and certainly hope that Brown, White and Norris (Chlapik is a question mark but Sens will probably draft more centers with so many high picks) end up better players than Tierney (at least offensively or defensively). Tierney is a good 3rd line player, that can play 2nd line if needed, like a younger Boedker.
Overall, I really don't think that Ceci + Tierney + 2nd is a crap package at all, certainly not anywhere close to your mockery hyperbolic comment "let's trade two other B assets for a first line center!"
As for Ceci getting crushed I think I have addressed it already. Note how his TOI/GP and dZS% go up (as well as QoC) and how his possession metrics immediately go down
Cody Ceci Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
Do the same analysis for Ristolainen. Those guys are not made to be top pairing D-men but their teams played them too high in the line-up because of a lack of other options. I mean, I hope those guys at the Athletic have noted that, because if not they missed some very important factors. What was the point of those articles? Saying that Ceci is not a top-pair D-man and won't do well in that role? What a revelation
How dare you question Xspyrit's intelligence. He's the smartest man on HF.
And yet I have never claimed anything close to that. If people conclude that I am smart by the way I type or the stuff I post, good for them but seriously I could care less about what people think of me, and particularly on the internet.
On the other hand, I clearly saw you a few months ago, QUESTIONING MY INTELLIGENCE because I was posting same advanced data defending Bobby Ryan.
I mean somebody saying that must think he is kinda smart, or at least smarter than the other person he was talking about? lol what a complete tool you are