Your Teams All-Time NA and Euro Rosters

[manifestodestiny]

(Disclaimer: I'm not an expert on the Thrashers)

Atlanta Euro team is definitely stronger.

ATLANTA THRASHERS

North America

Shawn McEachern - Marc Savard - Rich Peverley
Andrew Brunette - Todd White - Scott Mellanby
Donald Audette - Ray Ferraro - Colby Armstrong
Bryan Little - Jim Slater - J.P. Vigier
Tony Hrkac
Eric Boulton

Yannick Tremblay - Andy Sutton
Ron Hainsey - Greg De Vries
Chris Tamer - Garnet Exelby
Zach Bogosian

Damian Rhodes
Norm Maracle
Michael Garnett

Europe

Ilya Kovalchuk - Bobby Holik - Marian Hossa
Dany Heatley - Patrik Stefan - Vyacheslav Kozlov
Tomi Kallio - Andreas Karlsson - Nikolai Antropov
Maxim Afinogenov - Niko Kapanen - Per Svartvadet
Ronald Petrovicky
Lubos Bartecko

Tobias Enstrom - Frantisek Kaberle
Niclas Havelid - Daniel Tjarnqvist
Shane Hnidy - Alexei Zhitnik
Boris Valabik

Kari Lehtonen
Pasi Nurminen
Milan Hnilicka

An all Thrashers team is very difficult to do mainly because of our lack of talent that resulted in less talented players getting more ice time. Furthermore, we have had a high turnover rate, so it is difficult to say what counts.

My team would look like this and is based on peak

All North-American Team.

Heatley-Savard-Little
Brunette-Ferraro-Audette (Played as a line together during the early years)
McEachern-Peverley-Armstrong
Boulton-Slater-Thorborn (The line has been together for a while and has been a great energy line)
X: Melanby, Evander Kane, White

Byfuglien (He already has set records)-Sutton
Bogosian-Hainsey (In actuality an awful pairing together)
Tremblay-Tamer
X: Sopel (He has been solid, but not enough to overcome the time issue)

Goalies: Ahhhh.....
Mason (Talent wise, he has been the best)
Rhodes (Most NA starts, most because of awful teams)
Garnett (Played with a fire for a stretch in 2005-2006)

Europe->Pretty much the same
Ilya Kovalchuk - Bobby Holik - Marian Hossa
Dany Heatley - Patrik Stefan - Vyacheslav Kozlov
Tomi Kallio - Andreas Karlsson - Nikolai Antropov
Maxim Afinogenov - Niko Kapanen - Per Svartvadet
Ronald Petrovicky
Lubos Bartecko

Tobias Enstrom - Pavel Kubina (Talent/Peak)
Niclas Havelid - Frantisek Kaberle
Shane Hnidy - Alexei Zhitnik
Boris Valabik

As of now, it appears that European talent has proven better; however, I do not believe it shall stay like that. Our core save for Pavelec and Enstrom is North American and it is more talented than many of the players on this list.

Kari Lehtonen
Pasi Nurminen
Milan Hnilicka

 

[theicebox]

Thanks for all of the responses, I really liked seeing everyone’s teams. It’s interesting that Detroit could boast an all-star Russian line-up, and Montréal could maintain an all-Québec line-up.

Here’s mine for the Penguins, only using players from the 1990s onward, so I remember them, and have included/discluded certain players due to personal preference:

North America:

Recchi -Lemieux (C)- Stevens
Mullen -Francis (A)- Crosby
Robitaille -Trottier- Tocchet
Roberts -Staal– Guerin
Brown

Coffey (A) - Murphy
Letang - Orpik
Martin - Hatcher
Scuderi

Barrasso
Fleury

Europe:

Morozov -Malkin- Jagr (C)
Straka (A) -Lang- Kovalev
Nedved -Hrdina (either)- Naslund
Sandstrom -Beranek- Sykora
Satan

Gonchar (A) - Samuellsson
Zubov - Kasparaitis
Slegr - Michalek
Laukkanen

Hedberg
Pechurskiy

 

[overpass]

The Ottawa Senators. Giving some weight to length of time with the team - no one season players except for Hasek, the best goaltender to wear the jersey.

North American Ottawa Senators

Dany Heatley - Jason Spezza - Shawn McEachern
Antoine Vermette - Mike Fisher - Todd White
Randy Cunneyworth - Chris Kelly - Chris Neil
Peter Schaefer - Shaun Van Allen -Alexandre Daigle
Brian Smolinski

Wade Redden - Chris Phillips
Steve Duchesne - Jason York
Norm MacIver - Curtis Leschyshyn
Lance Pitlick

Ron Tugnutt
Patrick Lalime
Ray Emery

European Ottawa Senators

Vaclav Prospal - Alexei Yashin - Daniel Alfredsson
Magnus Arvedson - Radek Bonk - Marian Hossa
Jarkko Ruutu - Sergei Zholtok - Martin Havlat
Milan Michalek - Peter Regin - Andreas Dackell
Alex Kovalev

Zdeno Chara - Anton Volchenkov
Filip Kuba - Igor Kravchuk
Erik Karlsson - Sami Salo
Laukkanen, Meszaros, Rachunek...

Dominik Hasek
Martin Gerber
Peter Sidorkiewicz

The European team is better, and by a fair bit, I think. Unlike most teams, Ottawa has had a lot more decent European defencemen than North American.

 

[jkrx]

Quite similar to my version, though I have Nedomansky over Filppula and Salming and Samuelsson over Kronwall and Fischer.

Yes, it's very similiar but I didnt take salming since he only played one season and a bad one, same with samuelsson. Both Kronwall and Fischer was better in the Detroit.

 

[JaymzB]

Just thinking, how many teams would not have a single Euro on their All-Time team? The ones I can think of are:

-Montreal: Koivu, Naslund and Markov are their best Euro’s, and none are close to their All-Time Team

-Boston: Chara is their best Euro. Does he make it onto their stacked defense?.

-Rangers: Has Lundquvist done enough to make it into the Rangers top 3 netminders?

-Hartfod/Carolina: Ulf Samuelson?

-Kings: Mattias Norstrom? Kopitar already (I don’t think so)?

-Flyers: Was Pelle Lindbergh there long enough to count? On ability he has the be their #2 goalie of all time.

-St. Lousi: Demitra?

Any others I messed?

 

[jkrx]

Just thinking, how many teams would not have a single Euro on their All-Time team? The ones I can think of are:

-Montreal: Koivu, Naslund and Markov are their best Euro’s, and none are close to their All-Time Team

-Boston: Chara is their best Euro. Does he make it onto their stacked defense?.

-Rangers: Has Lundquvist done enough to make it into the Rangers top 3 netminders?

-Hartfod/Carolina: Ulf Samuelson?

-Kings: Mattias Norstrom? Kopitar already (I don’t think so)?

-Flyers: Was Pelle Lindbergh there long enough to count? On ability he has the be their #2 goalie of all time.

-St. Lousi: Demitra?

Any others I messed?

Montreal - Mats Näslund

Rangers - Hedberg

Hartford/Carolina - Kaberle and Samuelsson.

Kings - Palffy, Sandström, Norström

Blues - Pettersson and Demitra

Flyers - Eklund, Sinisalo, Renberg, Timonen.

These would be the top candidates.

 

[EagleBelfour]

Montreal - Mats Näslund

Off the top of my head: Dickie Moore, Frank Mahovlich, Aurel Joliat and Bert Olmstead. Unfortunately, there's no place for Naslund.

as for Chara with the Boston Bruins, I think he's just short. We have to remember that part of his legacy was with the Ottawa Senators.

Bobby Orr - Eddie Shore
Raymond Bourque - Dit Clapper
Brad Park - Bill Quackenbush
Leo Boivin
Fern Flaman
Zdeno Chara

 

[LiveeviL]

Canucks European

Forwards
Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Pavel Bure
Marcus Näslund- Thomas Gradin - Alex Mogilny
Petri Skriko - Igor Larianov - Peter Nedved
Jarko Ruutu - Ivan Hlinka - Mikael Samuelsson

Patrick Sundström
Fedor Fedorov


D-men
Mattias Öhlund - Ehroff
Sami Salo - Alex Edler
Jyrki Lumme - Robert Nordmark

Lars Lindgren




Goalies
Arturs Irbe
Johan Hedberg
Mika Noronen

 

[WilliamRanford]

Canucks European

Forwards
Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Pavel Bure
Marcus Näslund- Mats Sundin - Ivan Hlinka (C, but what the heck)
Vladimir Krutov - Igor Larianov - Peter Nedved
Esa Tikkanen- Thomas Gradin - Alex Mogilny

Patrick Sundström
Mikael Samuelsson
Fedor Fedorov


D-men
Mattias Öhlund - Anders Eldebrink
Sami Salo - Alex Edler
Jyrki Lumme - Jarko Ruutu

Ossi Vananen



Goalies
Mika Noronen
Johan Hedberg
Peter Skudra


Notes:
* Anders Eldebrink (D). He didn't really make it in the Canucks but he was in the organisation and was a blue line rocket hero in the SEL and the national team for a long time. I would say that he is a Sammy Salo guy.

* Krutov was tremendous for USSR, not so much in NHL. But this is fantasy so I go with his capacity and talent.


Not so impressive when it comes to goalies. But the Forwards are much more exciting than I first thought. Tikkanen, Bure, Sedins, Sundin, Näslund, Hlinka, Krutov and Larianov are all star players even if they are not all HoF material.

The D is solid, but not as exciting as with the forwards.

I think you should have a higher threshold for games played. Sundin's legacy is in no way associated with his 41 game stint with the Canucks, and Tikkanen's 100 game tenure was his last gasp before being mostly pressboxed to end his final three journeyman seasons. Krutov with 61 games played? Eldebrink 43 games played? Fedorov 15 games played? Vaananen 3 games played? That's slightly ridiculous.

I think you should use a 125 or 150 game threshold to include players who at least had two meaningful seasons there during prime or near-prime years. For the Oil I could have included Kent Nilsson (23 games played) or Ruotsalainen (26 games played), for instance, but I think the spirit of this is to include players who made sustained contributions to their club.

 

[LiveeviL]

I think you should have a higher threshold for games played. Sundin's legacy is in no way associated with his 41 game stint with the Canucks, and Tikkanen's 100 game tenure was his last gasp before being mostly pressboxed to end his final three journeyman seasons. Krutov with 61 games played? Eldebrink 43 games played? Fedorov 15 games played? Vaananen 3 games played? That's slightly ridiculous.

I think you should use a 125 or 150 game threshold to include players who at least had two meaningful seasons there during prime or near-prime years. For the Oil I could have included Kent Nilsson (23 games played) or Ruotsalainen (26 games played), for instance, but I think the spirit of this is to include players who made sustained contributions to their club.

That's a reasonable point of view and I agree. But I go with what OP stated. Jarko is of course a Forward! Lets take away Tikkanen then for Jarko and get Erhoff on the D.

 

[Patriks7]

Off the top of my head: Dickie Moore, Frank Mahovlich, Aurel Joliat and Bert Olmstead. Unfortunately, there's no place for Naslund.

as for Chara with the Boston Bruins, I think he's just short. We have to remember that part of his legacy was with the Ottawa Senators.

Bobby Orr - Eddie Shore
Raymond Bourque - Dit Clapper
Brad Park - Bill Quackenbush
Leo Boivin
Fern Flaman
Zdeno Chara

I hope you're not talking actual height

But I have to agree. He's not there yet, but he still has some seasons in his tank and he just might pull off a couple more great seasons, which might be enough to put him into the top 6 d-men for the Bruins.

 

[LiveeviL]

Updated post #33 with a Euro Canuck roster according to the suggested 125 games played rule. It is still a solid team, except for the goal-tending.

 

[Vector]

Updated post #33 with a Euro Canuck roster according to the suggested 125 games played rule. It is still a solid team, except for the goal-tending.

Don't knock Irbe, man! Hedberg is a pretty solid back-up as well. For European NHL goaltending that's not a bad combo.

 

[jkrx]

Irbe is more than a decent goalie. I would gladly accept him as starter for any team in his prime.

 

[WilliamRanford]

Updated post #33 with a Euro Canuck roster according to the suggested 125 games played rule. It is still a solid team, except for the goal-tending.

Thanks! I think that team is much more accurate and representative of Canucks history... good work.

 

[jcbio11]

That's the kind of activity you do when you can't find sleep. I'll give it a shot:

North America

Coach: Scotty Bowman
Ass. Coach: Toe Blake
Ass. Coach: Al Arbour

Bobby Hull - Wayne Gretzky - Gordie Howe (Can you imagine?)
Ted Lindsay - Mario Lemieux - Guy Lafleur
Frank Mahovlich- Jean Béliveau - Maurice Richard
Mark Messier - Howie Morenz - Cyclone Taylor
Bryan Trottier
Bobby Clarke

Bobby Orr - Doug Harvey
Eddie Shore - Raymond Bourque
Denis Potvin - Red Kelly
Larry Robinson

Jacques Plante
Patrick Roy
Terry Sawchuk

Europe

Coach: Anatoli Tarasov
Ass. Coach: Arkady Chernyshev
Ass. Coach: Jaroslav Pitner

Valeri Kharlamov - Stan Mikita - Jaromir Jagr
Anatoli Firsov - Peter Forsberg - Sergei Makarov
Sweeney Schriner - Sergei Fedorov - Jari Kurri
Alexander Ovechkin - Peter Stastny - Boris Mikhailov
Igor Larionov
Alexander Maltsev

Niklas Lidstrom - Slava Fetisov
Borje Salming - Rod Langway
Valeri Vasiliev - Alexander Ragulin
Zdeno Chara

Dominik Hasek
Vladislav Tretiak
Chuck Gardiner

Stanislav Mikita should be on the NA team. He was born in Slovakia to Slovakian parents, but he left when he was 8 year old and is Canadien trained - thus Canadien hockey player, not Slovakian hockey player.