Your currently best national team?

Discussion in 'International Tournaments' started by Backcheckmonster3, Oct 9, 2019.

  1. We're doing some testing. Please do not adjust your set.
    Dismiss Notice
  1. jj cale

    jj cale Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Messages:
    8,460
    Likes Received:
    2,912
    Trophy Points:
    111
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Location:
    Nova Scotia
    Don't waste any more of my time, it's all there for you to read in this thread, if you choose not to and want to stick your head in the sand and disregard their instigated insults and bigotry that is your call but don't expect me to play along.
     
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2019
  2. End on a Hinote

    End on a Hinote Registered Abuser

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2011
    Messages:
    3,029
    Likes Received:
    875
    Trophy Points:
    109
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Location:
    British Columbia
    Well, I'm glad you admit to being worse fans.
     
  3. Czechboy

    Czechboy Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    3,211
    Likes Received:
    1,472
    Trophy Points:
    84
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    It's almost impossible to go wrong when making a Canadian roster. I found this one funny because 'Taylor vs Tyler' are both HM's. That is depth!
     
  4. JackSlater

    JackSlater Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    11,692
    Likes Received:
    3,905
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    I see, I must have misheard all those times I heard "ice hockey" from American media and Americans I know who aren't fans. My mistake! Our women's hockey overlords have much to teach us about ice hockey.
     
    jj cale likes this.
  5. Atticus Finch

    Atticus Finch ***** Pigeons

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    Messages:
    2,970
    Likes Received:
    716
    Trophy Points:
    140
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Web developer, programmer
    Location:
    Albuquerque
    Home Page:
    Who? Because I have never heard anyone refer to it as 'ice hockey' with exception to the Olympics, in which 'ice hockey' is the official term for the sport.
     
  6. jj cale

    jj cale Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Messages:
    8,460
    Likes Received:
    2,912
    Trophy Points:
    111
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Location:
    Nova Scotia
    You typically hear it from Americans who aren't fans of the game. Slater is right, it's common with those Americans, at least from my experience. With Americans who are fans or fairly in touch with the game though yes, they call it simply hockey.
     
  7. Gold Standard

    Gold Standard Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2018
    Messages:
    822
    Likes Received:
    567
    Trophy Points:
    64
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Gender:
    Male
    hilarious debate. It reminds me of the famous scene in White Men Can't Jump. "You wanna run? You mean play basketball? No, ice-hockey. Get your ass up here, Gretzky."

    My American wife after a decade in Canada has finally dropped the ice part and now will say it correctly.
     
    jj cale likes this.
  8. jj cale

    jj cale Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Messages:
    8,460
    Likes Received:
    2,912
    Trophy Points:
    111
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Location:
    Nova Scotia
    It took some time but it looks like she is finally getting Canadianized, good work standard!!

    Is pop still soda to her?
     
  9. JackSlater

    JackSlater Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    11,692
    Likes Received:
    3,905
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    I doubt that we know the same people given the United States' pretty big population, but my wife's cousins and in-laws from Georgia all say "ice hockey" and also strangely call touques "toboggans". I visited during American Thanksgiving in Boston last year and heard about their local "ice hockey" team going to play in Quebec, but I'm doubtful that you know those people as well. I'll send you a message or tag you the next time I hear it on TV or in a movie though I guess. I specifically recall it from Happy Gilmore in this scene but it must be my ears playing tricks on me:

     
    jj cale likes this.
  10. Atticus Finch

    Atticus Finch ***** Pigeons

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    Messages:
    2,970
    Likes Received:
    716
    Trophy Points:
    140
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Web developer, programmer
    Location:
    Albuquerque
    Home Page:
    Well, southerners don't count but whatever, I'll be sure to correct the next person I meet that says 'ice hockey'. :thumbu:
     
    jj cale likes this.
  11. XeroKaos

    XeroKaos Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2018
    Messages:
    3,040
    Likes Received:
    2,765
    Trophy Points:
    101
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Location:
    Toronto, Canada

    Yep, 100% correct.

    Best vs Best Tournaments throughout history (#of wins in brackets)

    1972 Summit Series - Canada (1)
    1976 Canada Cup - Canada (2)
    1981 Canada Cup - USSR (1)
    1984 Canada Cup - Canada (3)
    1987 Canada Cup - Canada (4)
    1991 Canada Cup - Canada (5)
    1996 World Cup of Hockey - USA (1)
    1998 Olympics - Czech Republic (1)
    2002 Olympics - Canada (6)
    2004 World Cup of Hockey - Canada (7)
    2006 Olympics - Sweden (1)
    2010 Olympics - Canada (8)
    2014 Olympics - Canada (9)
    2016 World Cup of Hockey - Canada (10)

    ^
    If people want to put an ** on 2016 due to the NA and Europe teams thats fine, point still remains that no country has even come close to Canada in dominating best vs best hockey for the past nearly 50 years now. Canada has won 10 such tournaments, no other country has ever won more than 1 and if NHLers go to 2022, Canada are still obvious heavy favourites.
     
  12. JackSlater

    JackSlater Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    11,692
    Likes Received:
    3,905
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    I wouldn't count the Summit Series as it wasn't a tournament (or the 2016 tournament as it was a joke) but yeah it's a big list. It's unfortunate that we didn't get to see how the 2018 Olympics would have turned out with the best players available.
     
  13. Atticus Finch

    Atticus Finch ***** Pigeons

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    Messages:
    2,970
    Likes Received:
    716
    Trophy Points:
    140
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Web developer, programmer
    Location:
    Albuquerque
    Home Page:
    2016 World Cup was not best on best.
     
  14. Czechboy

    Czechboy Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    3,211
    Likes Received:
    1,472
    Trophy Points:
    84
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Arguing today that Canada doesn't have the best teams would be very hard. In 2006 an argument could've been made as 2 of the 3 pro Olympics had a non Canadian team win. However, its still clearly Canada as the favourite.

    I'll add a footnote but there was a world championships that was best on best during a lockout. I'll say 2005... But could be wrong on the year. I think it was in Austria and the czechs won that won.
     
    illone84 likes this.
  15. illone84

    illone84 Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2005
    Messages:
    1,337
    Likes Received:
    152
    Trophy Points:
    111
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Fuengirola
    I remember that one. Vokoun got a shutout!!
     
  16. jfc64

    jfc64 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2006
    Messages:
    3,441
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    111
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Team Sweden defense is a little bit overrated compared with Team Canada imo. THIRD defense crew might even play even with Team Sweden first defense crew.

    Dougie Hamilton (D) Carolina Hurricanes 16 7 10 17 1.06 14 8
    Ryan Ellis (D) Nashville Predators 16 3 13 16 1.00 9 9
    Brent Burns (D) San Jose Sharks 17 3 13 16 0.94 16 -11
    Morgan Rielly (D) Toronto Maple Leafs 17 3 13 16 0.94 14 4
    Cale Makar (D) Colorado Avalanche 16 2 13 15 0.94 0 1

    Victor Hedman (D) Tampa Bay Lightning 12 2 8 10 0.83 13 -1
    Alex Pietrangelo (D) St. Louis Blues 17 6 8 14 0.82 2 1
    Kris Letang (D) Pittsburgh Penguins 15 4 8 12 0.80 4 5
    Shea Weber (D) Montréal Canadiens 16 3 8 11 0.69 8 1

    Erik Karlsson (D) San Jose Sharks 16 1 10 11 0.69 2 -11
    Rasmus Dahlin (D) Buffalo Sabres 16 1 10 11 0.69 16 -4
    Josh Morrissey (D) Winnipeg Jets 15 1 9 10 0.67 2 -10
    Alexander Edler (D) Vancouver Canucks 17 3 8 11 0.65 26 -1
    Aaron Ekblad (D) Florida Panthers 14 1 8 9 0.64 6 2
    Mark Giordano (D) Calgary Flames 19 4 8 12 0.63 10 -1
    Drew Doughty (D) Los Angeles Kings 16 4 6 10 0.63 8 -8
    MacKenzie Weegar (D) Florida Panthers 15 3 6 9 0.60 13 -3
    Devon Toews (D) New York Islanders 15 2 7 9 0.60 2 1
    Thomas Chabot (D) Ottawa Senators 15 1 8 9 0.60 6 -3

    Hampus Lindholm (D) Anaheim Ducks 15 0 9 9 0.60 12 3
    Brad Hunt (D) Minnesota Wild 16 5 4 9 0.56 0 2
    Mattias Ekholm (D) Nashville Predators 16 3 6 9 0.56 6 8
    Jake Muzzin (D) Toronto Maple Leafs 16 3 6 9 0.56 8 4
    Jared Spurgeon (D) Minnesota Wild 16 2 6 8 0.50 4 -7

    Oscar Klefbom (D) Edmonton Oilers 18 1 8 9 0.50 4 -4
    Johnny Boychuk (D) New York Islanders 14 1 6 7 0.50 0 3
    Colton Parayko (D) St. Louis Blues 17 0 8 8 0.47 6 2

    Oliver Ekman Larsson (D) Arizona Coyotes 16 2 5 7 0.44 4 2
    Darnell Nurse (D) Edmonton Oilers 18 2 6 8 0.44 14 0
    Justin Schultz (D) Pittsburgh Penguins 16 1 6 7 0.44 0 -1
    Taylor Fedun (D) Dallas Stars 14 0 6 6 0.43 4 5
    T.J. Brodie (D) Calgary Flames 19 0 8 8 0.42 12 2
    Duncan Keith (D) Chicago Blackhawks 15 1 5 6 0.40 10 2

    Anton Strålman (D) Florida Panthers 15 0 6 6 0.40 2 -1
    Carl Gunnarsson (D) St. Louis Blues 10 1 3 4 0.40 6 1
    Ryan Murray (D) Columbus Blue Jackets 10 1 3 4 0.40 2 -2
    Jakob Chychrun (D) Arizona Coyotes 16 3 3 6 0.38 8 0
    Sean Walker (D) Los Angeles Kings 16 3 3 6 0.38 6 3
    Matt Dumba (D) Minnesota Wild 16 1 5 6 0.38 15 -13
    Samuel Girard (D) Colorado Avalanche 16 0 6 6 0.38 2 -4
    Marco Scandella (D) Buffalo Sabres 11 2 2 4 0.36 2 8
    Shea Theodore (D) Vegas Golden Knights 17 1 5 6 0.35 4 -4
    Ryan Graves (D) Colorado Avalanche 15 2 3 5 0.33 6 7
    Ryan Pulock (D) New York Islanders 15 2 3 5 0.33 4 2
    P.K. Subban (D) New Jersey Devils 15 2 3 5 0.33 18 -4
    Adam Pelech (D) New York Islanders 15 1 4 5 0.33 6 7
    Mark Borowiecki (D) Ottawa Senators 15 1 4 5 0.33 27 4
    Dennis Cholowski (D) Detroit Red Wings 15 1 4 5 0.33 4 -11
    Travis Sanheim (D) Philadelphia Flyers 15 1 4 5 0.33 4 1

    Rasmus Andersson (D) Calgary Flames 19 2 4 6 0.32 6 1
    Marcus Pettersson (D) Pittsburgh Penguins 16 1 4 5 0.31 4 3
    Ben Chiarot (D) Montréal Canadiens 16 3 2 5 0.31 10 5
    Victor Mete (D) Montréal Canadiens 16 3 2 5 0.31 4 7
    Vince Dunn (D) St. Louis Blues 17 2 3 5 0.29 4 3
    Tyson Barrie (D) Toronto Maple Leafs 17 0 5 5 0.29 6 -4
    Brendan Smith (D) New York Rangers 14 1 3 4 0.29 13 -3

    Erik Gustafsson (D) Chicago Blackhawks 14 0 4 4 0.29 4 3
    Slater Koekkoek (D) Chicago Blackhawks 7 0 2 2 0.29 8 -2
    Matt Benning (D) Edmonton Oilers 18 0 5 5 0.28 10 9
    Haydn Fleury (D) Carolina Hurricanes 11 1 2 3 0.27 2 1
    Josh Manson (D) Anaheim Ducks 11 0 3 3 0.27 15 3
    Colin Miller (D) Buffalo Sabres 16 0 4 4 0.25 6 -1

    Niklas Hjalmarsson (D) Arizona Coyotes 4 1 0 1 0.25 0 1
    John Klingberg (D) Dallas Stars 17 1 3 4 0.24 14 -10
    Christopher Tanev (D) Vancouver Canucks 17 1 3 4 0.24 4 6
    Tyler Myers (D) Vancouver Canucks 17 0 4 4 0.24 14 0

    Patrik Nemeth (D) Detroit Red Wings 18 1 3 4 0.22 8 1
    Damon Severson (D) New Jersey Devils 15 2 1 3 0.20 2 -11
    Jonas Brodin (D) Minnesota Wild 16 0 3 3 0.19 4 -6
    Marc-Édouard Vlasic (D) San Jose Sharks 17 2 1 3 0.18 0 -6
    Adam Larsson (D) Edmonton Oilers 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2019
  17. jfc64

    jfc64 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2006
    Messages:
    3,441
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    111
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    And while we are at it I challenge Russia (yes, you) and Finland to come up with a second team to beat Team Sweden 2 below: (first team accounted for)

    First team:
    Gabriel Landeskog – Nicklas Bäckström – William Nylander...Filip Forsberg – Elias Pettersson – Viktor Arvidsson...Rickard Rakell – Mika Zibanejad – Jakob Silfverberg...Marcus Johansson – Mikael Backlund – Elias Lindholm... ... Victor Hedman – Erik Karlsson...Hampus Lindholm – John Klingberg...Oliver Ekman Larsson – Anton Strålman... ...Henrik Lundqvist/Robin Lehner

    Team Sweden B
    Oskar Lindblom – William Karlsson – Gustav Nyquist
    Andreas Johnson – Alexander Wennberg – Patric Hörnqvist
    Adrian Kempe – Carl Söderberg – Jesper Fast
    Andre Burakovsky – Oskar Sundqvist – Alexander Steen


    Rasmus Dahlin – Adam Larsson
    Alexander Edler – Jonas Brodin
    Mattias Ekholm – Erik Gustafsson


    Jacob Markström
    Anders Nilsson
     
  18. Salmonsnake

    Salmonsnake Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2016
    Messages:
    4,304
    Likes Received:
    1,129
    Trophy Points:
    94
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Maybe the same team Finland had when they won gold in May.
     
    Jaska likes this.
  19. Elvs

    Elvs Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2006
    Messages:
    10,489
    Likes Received:
    1,523
    Trophy Points:
    169
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Location:
    Pitea, Sweden
    PPG isn't exactly a good way to value defensemen, especially not 15 games into the season ...

    I'd take John Klingberg ahead of most guys ahead of him on the list. Although I agree that Canada's top six is better than Sweden's top six, I'd like to see that Canada's third crew lol.

    Hedman - Karlsson
    Lindholm - Klingberg
    Ekman-Larsson - Ekholm

    Canada's 13th-18th defensemen are as good as this? :huh:
     
  20. jfc64

    jfc64 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2006
    Messages:
    3,441
    Likes Received:
    109
    Trophy Points:
    111
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    They are REAL good players on that team...
    Well, Karlsson suck. OEL is worn out. Klingberg must have the flu or the Esa Lindell blues. Hedman isn't making any splashes, even coach have to defend him. Ekholm seem to have lost a bit of steam. Left is one shiny example of a good ice hockey player... Hampus Lindholm!

    Currently working on a depth chart for you canadians... on the fourth team there will be a few of these:

    Aaron Ekblad (D) Florida Panthers 14 1 8 9 0.64 6 2
    Jared Spurgeon (D) Minnesota Wild 16 2 6 8 0.50 4 -7
    Colton Parayko (D) St. Louis Blues 17 0 8 8 0.47 6 2
    Matt Dumba (D) Minnesota Wild 16 1 5 6 0.38 15 -13
    Samuel Girard (D) Colorado Avalanche 16 0 6 6 0.38 2 -4
    Tyson Barrie (D) Toronto Maple Leafs 17 0 5 5 0.29 6 -4
    Christopher Tanev (D) Vancouver Canucks 17 1 3 4 0.24 4 6
    Tyler Myers (D) Vancouver Canucks 17 0 4 4 0.24 14 0



    PS. Is this depth chart below working? As you can see there are some RD's further down that might switch to LD if there is a fire.

    Mark Giordano – Drew Doughty
    Morgan Rielly - Alex Pietrangelo
    Marc-Édouard Vlasic - Brent Burns


    Thomas Chabot - Shea Weber
    Jake Muzzin - Dougie Hamilton
    Ryan Murray - Ryan Ellis


    Shea Theodore - P.K. Subban
    Jakob Chychrun - Kris Letang
    Josh Morrissey – Cale Makar
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2019
  21. Snowsii

    Snowsii Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2014
    Messages:
    1,401
    Likes Received:
    201
    Trophy Points:
    81
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Still, likely that no one from that team would make to the 1st team
     
  22. jonlin

    jonlin Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2011
    Messages:
    1,958
    Likes Received:
    740
    Trophy Points:
    109
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Laine - Barkov - Rantanen
    Teräväinen - Aho - Donskoi
    Armia - Hintz - Haula ( fast as lightning line )
    Kapanen - Koivu - Kakko

    xtras: Filppula, Lehkonen, Kotkaniemi

    Lindell - Heiskanen
    Ristolainen - Vatanen
    Jokiharju - Nutivaara
    Heinola

    xtras: Niku, Määttä

    Rask
    Rinne
    Koskinen

    We are good to go head to head against any team.
     
  23. jonlin

    jonlin Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2011
    Messages:
    1,958
    Likes Received:
    740
    Trophy Points:
    109
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    Agree.
     
  24. jonlin

    jonlin Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2011
    Messages:
    1,958
    Likes Received:
    740
    Trophy Points:
    109
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000
    I actually dislike thoose lines. Why make a team full of centers? Maybe put the rest of your C:s on defense and one goalie too?
     
  25. jonlin

    jonlin Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2011
    Messages:
    1,958
    Likes Received:
    740
    Trophy Points:
    109
    SB Cash:
    $ 1,200,000

    Is it better to have 2 mediocre teams aka B-teams than an A-team and a C-team? Do Sweden get extra points for having a better B-team than Finland? ;)
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"