Proposal: Young LD for Petry

[Tripod]

What would the Habs have to add to Petry, to get a younger, top pairing LHD?

Which team has disposable LHD depth and has an immediate need for a veteran top 4 RHD like Petry?

Flyers?

LHD
Provy
Ghost
Sanheim
Hagg
then AMAc
and Morin coming off LTIR in Feb.

RHD
Gudas
Folin

But I don't think Provy, Ghost and Sanheim would be available.

 

[Cobra Commander]

No. Weber traded first. Not petry

You know Weber’s not going anywhere

 

[Cobra Commander]

Who in their right mind would want Weber and his contract? Unless you are retaining a significant amount.

Weber is simply an amazing player, and his contract is fantastically constructed, you obviously don’t know the player or the contract situation and are simply acting like a hype man. Only fooling yourself. Us true Habs fans know what we have in Weber, he’s a special player.

The funny thing is that you are an Oilers fan and you are too clueless to see that Weber would instantly fix your defensive problems. Weber would make Nurse look amazing just like he has made EVERY partner he has ever had a better player. Weber carries a defense.

 

[Cobra Commander]

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[JeffreyLFC]

Take caleb jones and Matt Benning for Petry

Counter one of Nurse or Klefbom for Petry

 

[Revelation]

Weber is simply an amazing player, and his contract is fantastically constructed, you obviously don’t know the player or the contract situation and are simply acting like a hype man. Only fooling yourself. Us true Habs fans know what we have in Weber, he’s a special player.

The funny thing is that you are an Oilers fan and you are too clueless to see that Weber would instantly fix your defensive problems. Weber would make Nurse look amazing just like he has made EVERY partner he has ever had a better player. Weber carries a defense.

What part of a gaping lack of smooth puck skating offensive D does Weber fix exactly?

 

[Garnet76]

He's the Leafs top prospect and most certainly not a B prospect. He's in the AHL at 18 and impressed Leaf management in training camp.

Either way, like I said, you guys only paid a 2nd for him to get him. Much older now he will not return 2-3 times that price in trade.

I dont think it make any difference what you paid for him. Montreal paid a 2nd and 5th. Petry has really excelled the last couple years, can play big minutes on a decent contact. Byron was picked up on waivers is that all he is worth now? Is Gallagher only worth a 5th? Dont get me wrong I dont know the exact value of Petry but I know what the habs paid for him doesnt matter

 

[Runner77]

I dont think it make any difference what you paid for him. Montreal paid a 2nd and 5th. Petry has really excelled the last couple years, can play big minutes on a decent contact. Byron was picked up on waivers is that all he is worth now? Is Gallagher only worth a 5th? Dont get me wrong I dont know the exact value of Petry but I know what the habs paid for him doesnt matter

If what a team pays for a player is an predominant indicator of value, then imagine what all the first round picks that haven't produced at the NHL level would be worth. Hey, Scherbak was a first rounder and he was waived. For shame.

 

[Mrb1p]

Leafs desperately need a top 4 RD and have one of the deepest LD in the league. There would certainly be a deal there somewhere but I suspect there will be significant disagreement in values.

For example Dermott is a no go he might be just as good as Petry by the end of the year and is only 21. However Borgman or Rosen is a rip off. Then you have Sandin but the Leafs are high on him. Then a bunch of depth pieces.. Marincin, Neilsen for example.

A lot will depend on what they want to do with Gardiner as well... but they make good partners here.

You have to give to get.

Dermott and your first for Petry and a 3rd.

Done deal, we can even retain one mil.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You have to give to get.

Dermott and your first for Petry and a 3rd.

Done deal, we can even retain one mil.

Petry's trade value is tied to his term..

- Year 1: 1st or grade A Prospect
- Year 2: 1st or grade A prospect
- Year 3: 1st or grade A prospect

My price for Petry who is a rare RD in today's NHL is 3 solid pieces. Pay up or you don't get. Dermott is meh and your adding a 3rd on top of Petry? Leafs take this deal and run... especially if we retain.

With your proposal, you are giving and the get don't measure up.

 

[Habs Halifax]

- Petry
for
- Sandin
- 2019 1st
- Future 2nd
- Horton's uninsured contract

$1M salary retention is on the table for Petry but if the Leafs want that, add another piece. Best offer I can do that tries to address both teams needs. If the Leafs can't swallow the futures price, go after a rental year after year and pay more in the end. Good luck finding the help you need at RD

I'm not interested in Dermott. Leafs can keep him and likely need him as well.

 

[CHaracter79]

You don't get ride of a guy like Petry, especially with all of Weber's injury issues the last two years.

he had a bad luck injury that kept him out for a year. he doesnt have issues... you know who has issues.. Subban... third time in 4 years he has missed significant time.

 

[Mrb1p]

Petry's trade value is tied to his term..

- Year 1: 1st or grade A Prospect
- Year 2: 1st or grade A prospect
- Year 3: 1st or grade A prospect

My price for Petry who is a rare RD in today's NHL is 3 solid pieces. Pay up or you don't get. Dermott is meh and your adding a 3rd on top of Petry? Leafs take this deal and run... especially if we retain.

With your proposal, you are giving and the get don't measure up.

Id much rather give up a 3rd for Dermott than not give up the third and get Sandin...

 

[Habs Halifax]

Id much rather give up a 3rd for Dermott than not give up the third and get Sandin...

Not me. Dermott is who he is at this stage IMO. With Sandin, we don't know. I have higher hopes with Sandin and I get the extra 2nd and not give up the 3rd.

Honestly, how much better is Dermott vs Reilly or Mete? Dermott is -1 on a team that has a +25 in goal differential. He's not as good as you think. He only looks good cause he's playing on a good team. He is another D man who can get pushed around in his own end. Skating and vision is good though... just like with Mete and Reilly for the Habs.

 

[sansabri]

- Petry
for
- Sandin
- 2019 1st
- Future 2nd
- Horton's uninsured contract

$1M salary retention is on the table for Petry but if the Leafs want that, add another piece. Best offer I can do that tries to address both teams needs. If the Leafs can't swallow the futures price, go after a rental year after year and pay more in the end. Good luck finding the help you need at RD

I'm not interested in Dermott. Leafs can keep him and likely need him as well.

Dunno why you insist on taking Horton. His contract would just get in the way of a possible offer-sheet.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dunno why you insist on taking Horton. His contract would just get in the way of a possible offer-sheet.

Cause I'm not counting on the Habs offering a offer sheet. And I'm trying to help the Leafs make it work for them. Many think Horton's contract is a non issue but there is consequences of using LTIR contract space before the season starts. Blackhawks traded Hossa's contract for a reason.

If the Leafs are prepared to offer futures for Petry while we take Horton's contract on for this year and next, I'm OK with it. Remember, the Habs are doing this to accelerate our rebuild, not be cup contenders next year.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Id much rather give up a 3rd for Dermott than not give up the third and get Sandin...

Sandin > Dermott IMO. way more ceiling in Sandin.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You don't get ride of a guy like Petry, especially with all of Weber's injury issues the last two years.

Weber had a freak shot to his foot on game 1 last year and played through the pain for 26 games. Playing through this pain likely caused the tear in his knee. You know what you don't do? You don't devalue a guy like Weber cause he got hurt once due to a rare shot to his foot that caused a bone break.

Weber is our captain man. Petry is the logical guy to move on RD. 3 years in term at $5.5M for an above average top 4D is solid value. Especially for RD who are rare to acquire.

If you don't like my asking price for Petry, other teams won't like the asking price for Weber for sure! haha

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

People really need to look at Weber playing atm, I have never seen Weber play that well and I'm amazed.

Did he even made 1 turn-over?
He's carrying Kulak... he can play with any player
+5 in 6 games and 5 points is amazing
he's never out of position
Seems faster ? wtf how is that even possible at his age.


It's still early, but if he can stay on top like that I would keep Weber until he retires.
Petry is playing his best hockey in his life, he has 2-3 more years to give, a team pushing his window should invest RIGHT NOW on Petry, but that's just me... TOP LHD prospect for him OR B prospect + mid first round pick (15 and less)

 

[Captain Mountain]

Flyers?

LHD
Provy
Ghost
Sanheim
Hagg
then AMAc
and Morin coming off LTIR in Feb.

RHD
Gudas
Folin

But I don't think Provy, Ghost and Sanheim would be available.

That's reasonable, but I don't think Philly has the peices if Provy, Ghost and Sanheim aren't available.

 

[beowulf]

Alwa

he had a bad luck injury that kept him out for a year. he doesnt have issues... you know who has issues.. Subban... third time in 4 years he has missed significant time.

Always someone has to bring up Subban.

Weber has missed significant time so you don't trade your next best offensive dman until you are sure Weber is back healthy for some time. Let's look at when this thread was created...hmmm in October weeks before Weber returned.

Weber had a freak shot to his foot on game 1 last year and played through the pain for 26 games. Playing through this pain likely caused the tear in his knee. You know what you don't do? You don't devalue a guy like Weber cause he got hurt once due to a rare shot to his foot that caused a bone break.

Weber is our captain man. Petry is the logical guy to move on RD. 3 years in term at $5.5M for an above average top 4D is solid value. Especially for RD who are rare to acquire.

If you don't like my asking price for Petry, other teams won't like the asking price for Weber for sure! haha

You a doctor now? It just as likely didn't cause the problem. I never once "devalued" Weber. I just said you don't trade Petry until you are sure about Weber and having a second strong offensive dman is not a bad things.

WTF are you talking about you asking price for Petry? I don't even know what the hell you are talking about. Dude you are such a fanboy sometimes it is hilarious.

 

[sansabri]

Cause I'm not counting on the Habs offering a offer sheet. And I'm trying to help the Leafs make it work for them. Many think Horton's contract is a non issue but there is consequences of using LTIR contract space before the season starts. Blackhawks traded Hossa's contract for a reason.

If the Leafs are prepared to offer futures for Petry while we take Horton's contract on for this year and next, I'm OK with it. Remember, the Habs are doing this to accelerate our rebuild, not be cup contenders next year.

We're competing and Petry is playing a huge part in it. Domi accelerated that.

 

[Habs Halifax]

We're competing and Petry is playing a huge part in it. Domi accelerated that.

Yes but the idea here is if we trade Petry, I want futures to accelerate the rebuild. I don't have high hopes for this season. Yeah, its encouraging to see us do better but I believed in this core when healthy anyways.

Totally 2 different approaches. Which one wins a cup or has better probability to win a cup?

1) Fans want to make the playoffs "where anything can happen". Habs have been there and done that since 2012

2) Sell expiring assets and players that play in position of strength. Accelerate the rebuild to so we can be a much better team in 2 or 3 years from now.

 

[Liferleafer]

- Petry
for
- Sandin
- 2019 1st
- Future 2nd
- Horton's uninsured contract

$1M salary retention is on the table for Petry but if the Leafs want that, add another piece. Best offer I can do that tries to address both teams needs. If the Leafs can't swallow the futures price, go after a rental year after year and pay more in the end. Good luck finding the help you need at RD

I'm not interested in Dermott. Leafs can keep him and likely need him as well.

Honest question....is this a serious proposal? I honestly don't know if this is bait or your actually serious.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Honest question....is this a serious proposal? I honestly don'y know if this is bait or your actually serious.

Very serious. Now come back and tell me how ridiculous it is. Not going to hurt my feelings. If you don't like it, good luck. Petry stays with the Habs and you can go after a rental.

Petry has 3 years in term left. He is not going to be acquired for a rental price.